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Winter Blitz - fencertim   (Dec 20, 2011, 3:48 pm)
If i remember correctly i think it went to an every other year event. I thought i saw talk going around along those lines.


tim

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Winter Blitz (Community) dknemeyer Dec 21, 06:22 pm
Hey Gents,

I think it is still in the works but might get off a little late.
Winter Blitz (Community) FuzzyLogic Dec 22, 08:21 am
Yep it's now open. The DCI and WB ran very long last year which set us back quite a bit on timing. It is currently set to start 2nd week in January.
Winter Blitz - derekthefeared2   (Dec 20, 2011, 7:30 am)
Is there no winter blitz this year?

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Winter Blitz (Community) fencertim Dec 20, 03:48 pm
If i remember correctly i think it went to an every other year event. I thought i saw talk going around along those lines.


tim
Winter Blitz (Community) dknemeyer Dec 21, 06:22 pm
Hey Gents,

I think it is still in the works but might get off a little late.
Winter Blitz (Community) FuzzyLogic Dec 22, 08:21 am
Yep it's now open. The DCI and WB ran very long last year which set us back quite a bit on timing. It is currently set to start 2nd week in January.
I'm baaaaaack!!!! - Viper   (Oct 24, 2011, 1:07 pm)
I'm currently recruiting for a game of Worldwide: http://www.dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Worldwide

...unless you want a standard.

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I'm baaaaaack!!!! - Kenshi777   (Oct 23, 2011, 1:07 pm)
Miss me? Looking for a game... But uncle Sam is game hating hardcore here in Afghanistan. Can't access the main page at all from my govt puter. Mike -can you email me about that-got a ? for ya. Still got my address somewhere right?

Any who - anyone up for Dark Ages or just a standard? Maybe a public press only game? Can I get a gm for a long lost dipper come back around?

B.

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I'm baaaaaack!!!! (Community) Viper Oct 24, 01:07 pm
I'm currently recruiting for a game of Worldwide: http://www.dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Worldwide

...unless you want a standard.
Merits - pedros   (Sep 10, 2011, 7:10 am)
Thanks fuzzylogic

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Shift-Right gets underway! - jerome777   (Sep 09, 2011, 12:38 pm)
Hi everyone,

I'm pleased to announce the long-awaited start of the Shift-Right game here at dc. The game-code is dc395, for those of you wanting to follow the moves as we go. Main season deadlines will be Mondays at 2000GMT, starting a week on Monday.

If any of you would like to post comments on the game in progress, please do so using the game's messageboard. Otherwise, have fun following the game as it progresses!

jerome777

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Merits - FuzzyLogic   (Sep 08, 2011, 7:42 am)
You can read about them here...

http://www.diplomaticcorp.com/companions.php?type=charter

Merits accumulate simply for playing in games. Even if you're eliminated, you still earn 5.

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Merits (Community) pedros Sep 10, 07:10 am
Thanks fuzzylogic
Merits - pedros   (Sep 08, 2011, 7:31 am)
I'm sure it tells me somewhere, but I've searched the site and can't find it.

What are merits and how do you get them (I've just discovered I gained some in my one not very successful game, and I'd quite like to know how come!)

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Merits (Community) FuzzyLogic Sep 08, 07:42 am
You can read about them here...

http://www.diplomaticcorp.com/companions.php?type=charter

Merits accumulate simply for playing in games. Even if you're eliminated, you still earn 5.
Merits (Community) pedros Sep 10, 07:10 am
Thanks fuzzylogic
Who wants to run a game? - FuzzyLogic   (Aug 09, 2011, 3:01 pm)
It's that time again! The WB just wrapped up and summer is coming to an end, and so too comes our surge of game activity. If you want to run a game, let me know! We need new GM's...

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Who wants to take the next game? - Blueraider0   (Jul 04, 2011, 1:56 pm)
I can GM a game now.....

-Maslow

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Who wants to take the next game? - nemo_sed_mori   (Jun 28, 2011, 10:46 pm)
I could run a game starting in the second or third week of July.

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Who wants to take the next game? (Community) Blueraider0 Jul 04, 01:56 pm
I can GM a game now.....

-Maslow
Who wants to take the next game? - FuzzyLogic   (Jun 20, 2011, 8:06 am)
Activity is slowing down for the summer, but we still have the occasional game starting here and there... who wants to run one?
-mike

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Who wants to take the next game? (Community) nemo_sed_mori Jun 28, 10:46 pm
I could run a game starting in the second or third week of July.
Who wants to take the next game? (Community) Blueraider0 Jul 04, 01:56 pm
I can GM a game now.....

-Maslow
No NMRs - AceRimmer   (Mar 31, 2011, 4:04 pm)
DC 345 has just completed after ten game years *without a single NMR*. I'm not sure I have ever witnessed such a feat. I think it is an extraordinary accomplishment. So much so that I want to publicly thank the eight players. Gentlemen, it has been an honor:

Alex Maslow
John Reside
Luke Fleischman
Mike Hoffman
Michael Penner
Nathan Edwards
Philip King
Warren Fleming

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Forwarding e-mails - sgttodd   (Mar 31, 2011, 10:02 am)
No GM needs to regulate the use of valid game tactics that do not interfere with the management of the game. Any GM that does should immediately be placed in The Order of the Pansy.

How the hell does a GM enforce that anyway? How does he know the whistle blower isn't lying himself and the whole thing's not a hoax?

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Forwarding e-mails - FlapJack   (Mar 26, 2011, 2:42 am)
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l

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Forwarding e-mails - rodtheworm   (Mar 24, 2011, 5:22 pm)
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails - Godzilla   (Mar 23, 2011, 12:23 pm)
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.

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Forwarding e-mails - FuzzyLogic   (Mar 23, 2011, 12:13 pm)
We have no community rule on this, not even a "best practices" sort of thing... So as far as any dc game goes, it's perfectly legal.

However, GMs can write their own house rules on the matter. I do know of one GM that does so and prohibits the forwarding of mail.

Like you say here tho, (and like most tactics) it is best used when it's not expected. So building a reputation for such is terrible... but if you have a situation where you can do something creative w a forwarded, quoted, or doctored mail, and you think it will be received well or accomplish your goal, then by all means...

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Forwarding e-mails - Blueraider0   (Mar 23, 2011, 11:03 am)
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails - Godzilla   (Mar 23, 2011, 9:15 am)
pedro, you asked about the strong feelings associated with message-passing, and you got the answer, "It varies". Some players hate it, and some are indifferent to the tactic.

As for it being "close to illegal", that is somewhat like being "kind of pregnant": it's a case of either/or. There are very few forbiddens in Diplomacy -- deception of the GM being pretty much universal -- and in all my games I've never come across one in which message-passing was outlawed. Players can react to the message-forwarding as they choose, but there is no legal recourse within the game for such action.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) Blueraider0 Mar 23, 11:03 am
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails - pedros   (Mar 23, 2011, 6:33 am)
My query wasn't really about whether it's good or bad play - like most tactics, it seems to me to be bext used sparingly - but the impression I was given was that it was close to illegal on the site.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 09:15 am
pedro, you asked about the strong feelings associated with message-passing, and you got the answer, "It varies". Some players hate it, and some are indifferent to the tactic.

As for it being "close to illegal", that is somewhat like being "kind of pregnant": it's a case of either/or. There are very few forbiddens in Diplomacy -- deception of the GM being pretty much universal -- and in all my games I've never come across one in which message-passing was outlawed. Players can react to the message-forwarding as they choose, but there is no legal recourse within the game for such action.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Blueraider0 Mar 23, 11:03 am
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FuzzyLogic Mar 23, 12:13 pm
We have no community rule on this, not even a "best practices" sort of thing... So as far as any dc game goes, it's perfectly legal.

However, GMs can write their own house rules on the matter. I do know of one GM that does so and prohibits the forwarding of mail.

Like you say here tho, (and like most tactics) it is best used when it's not expected. So building a reputation for such is terrible... but if you have a situation where you can do something creative w a forwarded, quoted, or doctored mail, and you think it will be received well or accomplish your goal, then by all means...
Forwarding e-mails - Godzilla   (Mar 23, 2011, 6:17 am)
It is certainly true that emails can be heavily edited before forwarding. I've been in the Diplomacy community long enough that I used to play by mail (gasp!), and it is perhaps from that forum that my aversion to mail-passing stems. Because in that format, of course, a letter passed on, in one's own handwriting, was extremely damning.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) pedros Mar 23, 06:33 am
My query wasn't really about whether it's good or bad play - like most tactics, it seems to me to be bext used sparingly - but the impression I was given was that it was close to illegal on the site.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 09:15 am
pedro, you asked about the strong feelings associated with message-passing, and you got the answer, "It varies". Some players hate it, and some are indifferent to the tactic.

As for it being "close to illegal", that is somewhat like being "kind of pregnant": it's a case of either/or. There are very few forbiddens in Diplomacy -- deception of the GM being pretty much universal -- and in all my games I've never come across one in which message-passing was outlawed. Players can react to the message-forwarding as they choose, but there is no legal recourse within the game for such action.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Blueraider0 Mar 23, 11:03 am
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FuzzyLogic Mar 23, 12:13 pm
We have no community rule on this, not even a "best practices" sort of thing... So as far as any dc game goes, it's perfectly legal.

However, GMs can write their own house rules on the matter. I do know of one GM that does so and prohibits the forwarding of mail.

Like you say here tho, (and like most tactics) it is best used when it's not expected. So building a reputation for such is terrible... but if you have a situation where you can do something creative w a forwarded, quoted, or doctored mail, and you think it will be received well or accomplish your goal, then by all means...
Forwarding e-mails - DancingQueen   (Mar 22, 2011, 3:32 pm)
As a long time F2F player, I have never understood the problem that the email community has with forwarding email. I have always taken it just as I would someone telling me what another player is saying. The tangible artifact of the email is so easily edited that it is almost valueless.

Which, IMO, makes it a particularly poor tactic when used against good players, who will recognize it for what it is -- an attempt to gain influence that isn't based on the merit of the speaker, but on the (supposed) bad behavior of someone else.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 06:17 am
It is certainly true that emails can be heavily edited before forwarding. I've been in the Diplomacy community long enough that I used to play by mail (gasp!), and it is perhaps from that forum that my aversion to mail-passing stems. Because in that format, of course, a letter passed on, in one's own handwriting, was extremely damning.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) pedros Mar 23, 06:33 am
My query wasn't really about whether it's good or bad play - like most tactics, it seems to me to be bext used sparingly - but the impression I was given was that it was close to illegal on the site.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 09:15 am
pedro, you asked about the strong feelings associated with message-passing, and you got the answer, "It varies". Some players hate it, and some are indifferent to the tactic.

As for it being "close to illegal", that is somewhat like being "kind of pregnant": it's a case of either/or. There are very few forbiddens in Diplomacy -- deception of the GM being pretty much universal -- and in all my games I've never come across one in which message-passing was outlawed. Players can react to the message-forwarding as they choose, but there is no legal recourse within the game for such action.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Blueraider0 Mar 23, 11:03 am
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FuzzyLogic Mar 23, 12:13 pm
We have no community rule on this, not even a "best practices" sort of thing... So as far as any dc game goes, it's perfectly legal.

However, GMs can write their own house rules on the matter. I do know of one GM that does so and prohibits the forwarding of mail.

Like you say here tho, (and like most tactics) it is best used when it's not expected. So building a reputation for such is terrible... but if you have a situation where you can do something creative w a forwarded, quoted, or doctored mail, and you think it will be received well or accomplish your goal, then by all means...
Forwarding e-mails - fencertim   (Mar 20, 2011, 10:31 am)
I personally dislike the tactic. I have ben forwarded several e-mails through various games and on different diplomacy sites. Godzilla is corret, i am very less likely to discuss sensitive information with a person who forwards letters as it stands to reason that my letters are being forwarded as well. In an effort to put at ease the person i am in disscussions with i inform them up from that 'any and all information being discussed here will be held in the highest confidience and your diligience to do the same is appriciated.' This sometimes discourages someone from using this tactic.

As for the effectiveness, with me it has very little positive influence for the forwarder(?). It is too easy to forward a letter and change key words or province names...to fit the desired or intended outcome.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) DancingQueen Mar 22, 03:32 pm
As a long time F2F player, I have never understood the problem that the email community has with forwarding email. I have always taken it just as I would someone telling me what another player is saying. The tangible artifact of the email is so easily edited that it is almost valueless.

Which, IMO, makes it a particularly poor tactic when used against good players, who will recognize it for what it is -- an attempt to gain influence that isn't based on the merit of the speaker, but on the (supposed) bad behavior of someone else.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 06:17 am
It is certainly true that emails can be heavily edited before forwarding. I've been in the Diplomacy community long enough that I used to play by mail (gasp!), and it is perhaps from that forum that my aversion to mail-passing stems. Because in that format, of course, a letter passed on, in one's own handwriting, was extremely damning.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) pedros Mar 23, 06:33 am
My query wasn't really about whether it's good or bad play - like most tactics, it seems to me to be bext used sparingly - but the impression I was given was that it was close to illegal on the site.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 09:15 am
pedro, you asked about the strong feelings associated with message-passing, and you got the answer, "It varies". Some players hate it, and some are indifferent to the tactic.

As for it being "close to illegal", that is somewhat like being "kind of pregnant": it's a case of either/or. There are very few forbiddens in Diplomacy -- deception of the GM being pretty much universal -- and in all my games I've never come across one in which message-passing was outlawed. Players can react to the message-forwarding as they choose, but there is no legal recourse within the game for such action.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Blueraider0 Mar 23, 11:03 am
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FuzzyLogic Mar 23, 12:13 pm
We have no community rule on this, not even a "best practices" sort of thing... So as far as any dc game goes, it's perfectly legal.

However, GMs can write their own house rules on the matter. I do know of one GM that does so and prohibits the forwarding of mail.

Like you say here tho, (and like most tactics) it is best used when it's not expected. So building a reputation for such is terrible... but if you have a situation where you can do something creative w a forwarded, quoted, or doctored mail, and you think it will be received well or accomplish your goal, then by all means...
Forwarding e-mails - Godzilla   (Mar 20, 2011, 8:34 am)
There is a wide range of responses to this tactic, and you are correct that some players deplore this tactic -- myself included.

My reasons are thus: like PBM Diplomacy before it, online Diplomacy is an adaptation of ftf Diplomacy. The board game was designed to be played in person. As such, all negotiations are verbal. There is no opportunity to forward a message. Someone can TELL you that Austria is scheming like mad against you, but you have nothing more than their say-so. Ignoring the possibility of faked messages, being able to actually forward another player's email changes the whole dynamic of negotiating, and not for the better, IMO. Some people regard forwarding emails to be the tactic of a weaker player.

Forwarding emails is not without its risks. Some players get extremely upset with this tactic, and will immediately turn against any player caught forwarding their mail. A player caught forwarding email also risks becoming known for this tactic, which will make it far less likely for other players to discuss sensitive topics with them, a real liability in Diplomacy. If you play consistently with the same group of players, it could become fatal to acquire the reputation as someone who will forward emails.

To be fair there are players who do not have a problem with the ethics of forwarding email, although I believe them to be in the minority. Perhaps others can weigh in on this as well.

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Forwarding e-mails (Community) fencertim Mar 20, 10:31 am
I personally dislike the tactic. I have ben forwarded several e-mails through various games and on different diplomacy sites. Godzilla is corret, i am very less likely to discuss sensitive information with a person who forwards letters as it stands to reason that my letters are being forwarded as well. In an effort to put at ease the person i am in disscussions with i inform them up from that 'any and all information being discussed here will be held in the highest confidience and your diligience to do the same is appriciated.' This sometimes discourages someone from using this tactic.

As for the effectiveness, with me it has very little positive influence for the forwarder(?). It is too easy to forward a letter and change key words or province names...to fit the desired or intended outcome.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) DancingQueen Mar 22, 03:32 pm
As a long time F2F player, I have never understood the problem that the email community has with forwarding email. I have always taken it just as I would someone telling me what another player is saying. The tangible artifact of the email is so easily edited that it is almost valueless.

Which, IMO, makes it a particularly poor tactic when used against good players, who will recognize it for what it is -- an attempt to gain influence that isn't based on the merit of the speaker, but on the (supposed) bad behavior of someone else.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 06:17 am
It is certainly true that emails can be heavily edited before forwarding. I've been in the Diplomacy community long enough that I used to play by mail (gasp!), and it is perhaps from that forum that my aversion to mail-passing stems. Because in that format, of course, a letter passed on, in one's own handwriting, was extremely damning.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) pedros Mar 23, 06:33 am
My query wasn't really about whether it's good or bad play - like most tactics, it seems to me to be bext used sparingly - but the impression I was given was that it was close to illegal on the site.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 09:15 am
pedro, you asked about the strong feelings associated with message-passing, and you got the answer, "It varies". Some players hate it, and some are indifferent to the tactic.

As for it being "close to illegal", that is somewhat like being "kind of pregnant": it's a case of either/or. There are very few forbiddens in Diplomacy -- deception of the GM being pretty much universal -- and in all my games I've never come across one in which message-passing was outlawed. Players can react to the message-forwarding as they choose, but there is no legal recourse within the game for such action.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Blueraider0 Mar 23, 11:03 am
I think comparing "almost illegal" to "almost pregnant" is a little silly. Nevertheless, some players consider it near heresy. I do it rarely, but I'll do it in particularly dire circumstances. I've even been known to falsify e-mails from "others" to make my point. Anything for the game, you know.

Some players oppose the tactic so much they don't care what the e-mail says, they will immediately go after you for being so disreputable. I had one player call me "insulting to the hobby," which seemed a bit harsh. So there are risks, but that's always true. The tactic, however, is not (and really cannot be) forbidden.

I'll add if people forward me an e-mail from someone else, I generally disapprove. Not because I'm a hypocrite, but because it isn't for something ridiculous enough. It is, for me, a last ditch effort. Forwarding e-mails to prove a 1901 FE alliance seems a little unnecessary, and while I won't insult the player or throw my forces haphazarly against them for revenge, I will doubt their cunning and probably consider them easy meat for the rest of the game.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) Godzilla Mar 23, 12:23 pm
Silly comparison? Not really. Now the expression "kind of pregnant" is silly, but I didn't make it up. However, nothing wrong with the analogy. One cannot be "kind of pregnant" -- one is or one isn't. In Diplomacy, something cannot be "almost illegal" -- either you can do it without breaking rules, or you cannot do it without breaking rules. For all the strong feelings against message-passing, have never seen a game in which it was illegal.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) rodtheworm Mar 24, 05:22 pm
I see what you mean here. I've done it in the past, and in my early games I thought I was being clever by doctoring or even faking entire emails from other players - this was on some of the USAK/other name stlye judges where you were unlikely to play the same people again and thus gain a reputation.

I stopped forwarding messages when I realised that if I forwarded something to someone, they would more than likely assume I was doing the same with their mails. I think that was in my first game on this site. Since then I've been clean. Clearly you are going to pass on information occasionally, but being trustworthy with information is a much better reputation to have than the opposite.
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FlapJack Mar 26, 02:42 am
My take on forward emails is this: I don't do it but as far as I am concerned when it comes to diplomacy between players all is fair in love and war. I try not deal with players that letter pass but I don't think you can write anyone out of the hobby over it.

The only thing I consider cheating is having to do more with the GM or the results rather than among the players.l
Forwarding e-mails (Community) FuzzyLogic Mar 23, 12:13 pm
We have no community rule on this, not even a "best practices" sort of thing... So as far as any dc game goes, it's perfectly legal.

However, GMs can write their own house rules on the matter. I do know of one GM that does so and prohibits the forwarding of mail.

Like you say here tho, (and like most tactics) it is best used when it's not expected. So building a reputation for such is terrible... but if you have a situation where you can do something creative w a forwarded, quoted, or doctored mail, and you think it will be received well or accomplish your goal, then by all means...

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