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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - packrat   (Sep 14, 2009, 1:05 pm)
Gentlemen:

Would any of you be interested in playing another round of shift left? Or perhaps
Shift Right? This would be a Vegas-free game. I would, of course, GM it.


From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:49:05 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

matt,

i understand..i tried to settle it quickly and i offered to resign but scott didn't feel that was necessary and i didn't want to mess the game up anymore so i stayed but that's part of the reason i didn't talk as much...it kind of left me feeling "what's the point?" after a player wanted me tossed from the game and then resigned when i wasn't...its a shame because i think this is a good variant and i would like to play it again...

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there. I am not accusing anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you for this. And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and why we play it. All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:
[quote:2616a3a193] matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]) <mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the
rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's
tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole,
even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



------------------------------------------------------------------------






[/quote:2616a3a193]

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - FlapJack   (Sep 14, 2009, 10:48 am)
matt,

i understand..i tried to settle it quickly and i offered to resign but scott didn't feel that was necessary and i didn't want to mess the game up anymore so i stayed but that's part of the reason i didn't talk as much...it kind of left me feeling "what's the point?" after a player wanted me tossed from the game and then resigned when i wasn't...its a shame because i think this is a good variant and i would like to play it again...

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there.  I am not accusing anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you for this.  And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and why we play it.  All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:
[quote:8a12a69c55] matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]) <mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>> wrote:

   Hey guys,

   First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
   played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
   right before I would have been ready to fend him off.  As for the
   rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
   annoying games of which I have been a part.  The initial Germany's
   tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
   other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
   into a huge argument.  And, looking back at the game as a whole,
   even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
   with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
   play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

   Matt
   Russia

   Packrat wrote:

       First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
       solo with 18 centers!!

       Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
       end.

       The final orders:

       Austria:
       F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
       A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
       A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
       A Greece Hold
       A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
       A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
       A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
       A Tyrolia - Vienna
       F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
       A Venice - Tyrolia
       A Vienna - Budapest

       France:
       A Brest - Gascony
       A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
       A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

       Germany:
       A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
       A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
       F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
       A Galicia, no move received
       A Gascony - Marseilles
       F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
       A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
       A Munich Supports A Bohemia
       F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
       A Picardy - Brest
       A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
       A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
       A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
       A Wales Hold
       A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

       Italy:
       F Adriatic Sea Hold
       F Ionian Sea - Tunis
       F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
       A Tuscany - Rome

       Turkey:
       F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



       ------------------------------------------------------------------------






[/quote:8a12a69c55]

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - camorse22   (Sep 14, 2009, 10:46 am)
I think I'm finally beginning to see why it was so difficult to get everyone engaged in the beginning. Sounds like burn-out from a rather nasty contretemps.

For what it's worth, I agree very strongly with the Jack's principles. That IS what Diplomacy is about. You can't up and quit just because someone doesn't accept your arguments. And if someone gets snotty or rude with me they can forget about getting my support after that.

Quitters ruin things for everyone, which is why I often step in and take replacement positions. I'm not quite as bold about it as I used to be, though. Now I check out who's playing and who's GM'ing before I sign up. Picking this game was easy on that score. I would gladly play with any of you gentlemen again.

Chris


From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:30:12 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:
[quote:d3f745c86d]
First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





------------------------------------------------------------------------


[/quote:d3f745c86d]

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - MattTheLesser   (Sep 14, 2009, 10:36 am)
Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there. I am not accusing
anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been
settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand
that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you
for this. And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and
why we play it. All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge
argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could
not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this
somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:

matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and
resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's
not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a
lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not
in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone
from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to
do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince
people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you
want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play
with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they
want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is
worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to
France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i
denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not
outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of
almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of
variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant
in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu
<mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the
rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's
tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole,
even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



------------------------------------------------------------------------


[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - FlapJack   (Sep 14, 2009, 10:30 am)
matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I would have been ready to fend him off.  As for the rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have been a part.  The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up into a huge argument.  And, looking back at the game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:
[quote:ef9c7e4ed5]
First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





------------------------------------------------------------------------


[/quote:ef9c7e4ed5]

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - MattTheLesser   (Sep 14, 2009, 10:13 am)
Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the
perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I
would have been ready to fend him off. As for the rest of this game, I
must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have
been a part. The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of
this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by
blowing the situation up into a huge argument. And, looking back at the
game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I
actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and
I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with
18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Reply]

DC 218 SL - German EOG - camorse22   (Sep 14, 2009, 12:57 am)
Hi Gents,

Thanks for the nice words of congratulation. It was a fun game, a challenging game, and given the level of competition I can't help feeling some pride of accomplishment. It has been a verrrrry long time since I took a solo in a non-gunboat game. Funny thing is, that other time was also a case where I was an early substitute, so you could say I'm still something of a virgin in that regard since I've managed the feat in a full game.

I joined this game in Summer 1904. Germany had 7 SC but it wasn't clear how or if I was going to get any of my units home. There was a big logjam in Austria, with four countries (A, E, G, R) all trying to push through the region. France was already home and Turkey had two units on his own doorstep. What's more, France had two of my German home SC, and England was about to be eliminated. So I guess without realizing it, I took up right where the previous Germans had left off and started telling all the other players that we had to stop screwing around RIGHT NOW or France was going to run away with the game.

First order of business was to figure out a way to get Austria, England, Russia and I untangled and into our respective home centers. Graham (Austria), Steve C (England) and Matt (Russia) all expressed cautious support for mutual cooperation in the center of the board, but it still required a great deal of convincing and cajoling to forge an agreement. I also invested effort in building a good relationship with Andy (Italy) because in the absence of England he was the only other one who could help directly against France.

I think in the end it wasn't my charm or cleverness that won out, but rather plain old doggedness. From what I was hearing there wasn't much writing going on up to that point. Really? I can remedy that! I talked a lot. To everybody. I just checked my email folder for this game, and in the first 3 seasons (F04, W04, S04) I wrote 51 different messages! Almost all of those were working with A, I and R, trying to set up a grand alliance where G and I would fight France and R and T would fight Turkey.

Of course, none of this would keep from talking to Turkey and France, too. Jack (Turkey) wasn't very interested, though, and since we had nothing to coordinate, it was no big deal to me. The conversation with Stephen Worthy (France), on the other hand, was both productive and fun. I knew Stephen from a few years back when he GM'd a gunboat variant called Stab! which I loved (and won). I knew that if I were in his shoes, I'd be trying to eliminate Germany. England was clearly no threat, so if Germany could be neutralized, the whole West would be a French playground. The first very key "win" for me was convincing Austria to support me into Munich against the French attempt to bounce me there in Spring '05. Without that support, I never would have gotten that first army home and the whole game would have been different. Actually, it is fortunate for everyone that France did not take Munich in Fall '04. He could have had it unopposed, but I suspect he didn't because he didn't want to knock Austria down to 1 SC which would have been the result. Or maybe he thought Austria would bounce him? I don't know, but I'm thinking it must be a big "What if?" in Stephen's mind.

The central madness did untangle pretty quickly, even though we suffered a bit of a glitch in the first season when Russia didn't quite trust us. That cost England his last dot, which was probably a blessing in disguise. He really wasn't going anywhere. The next critical bit was convincing Italy to stab France by taking Brest. This was SUCH an important move. France was the only country able to build at this point, had the English Isles sitting there completely unprotected, and was thinking he had two units ready to take Munich and block Germany from getting home.

Once Italy took Brest, it was easy for me to arrange "peace" with France. I didn't need to fight him. All I needed to do was claim my homeland. We arranged spheres of influence that gave me Germany, Holland, and Scandinavia (assuming I could get there before Russia). The next couple of years saw me growing at home and staying friendly with both Italy and France as they fought each other. My fleet that started in Smyrna passed through the Med, claimed Spain with the blessing of both F and I, and then moved out to MAO.

Then came the moment of truth. It wasn't an easy decision, at all, since I was getting along great with both guys. After waffling a bit, I chose Italy as the ally who was most likely to be of benefit to Germany long-term.

Although I was working closely with Italy, I really saw Austria as my main long-term ally. He was growing quickly, too, taking his own SC and most of the Balkans. He and Russia were nominally working together, though it seemed to me that when he took Rumania from Russia instead of Bulgaria, he was pushing Russia's buttons a little bit. I should note that in 1905 Steve Lytton took over for Graham. This was a shock for me, since Graham had given no hints that he was leaving and seemed to have become very involved in the game. I was very pleased, of course, when Steve said he would be following Graham's instructions to work with Germany. Nevertheless, I was clear that Steve was more, um, forceful? Aggressive? We got along fine, though it should be noted we never actually worked together beyond my supporting his army in Sevastopol for a few turns late in the game.

Russia and I were sort-of allies. We talked about his teaming with Austria against Turkey, and the two of us keeping an eye on Austria to make sure he didn't grow too quickly. But Matt didn't talk very much, and after a couple instances of sitting on my messages and not answering until AFTER the results were posted, I grew wary. It became clear eventually that he thought Scandinavia belonged to Russia. When he bypassed a build in Sevastopol to build a fleet in St. Pete, I knew we were destined to fight sooner rather than later.

France was putting up a good fight, but I figured that Italy and I had him licked. I'd just built 3 new units. Austria had some spare units, too, so I talked to him about taking on Russia. He hedged, but I figured if I made the first move he'd join in, so I backed my fleet off France and threw a 5 units at Scandinavia and Warsaw. Unfortunately, two things happened to spoil my timing. One, France chose that moment to push back, and two, Austria stabbed Italy. This meant no more Italian pressure on France, so no way I could both attack Russia and keep France out of London.

Time to reevaluate and renegotiate. I ceded London and Liverpool to France, and loaned him an army so he could take Marseilles back from Italy. I concentrated on Russia, forcing my way into Sweden in '08, then in '09 I took Warsaw (with Austria's help) and made a lucky guess that delivered St. Pete. Russia was essentially finished at this point, although it would be a couple of years before I could finally spare the units to eliminate that last pesky fleet in Norway.

It was at this point that I started actively thinking about the possibility of a solo. As I mentioned, it has been a long time between solos for me. I felt a bit of an obligation to my partner Austria, and I had been dutifully voting for the AG draw, but at some point I decided the "right" thing to do was to go for the win. I figured Austria would have if he had the chance. A couple of seasons earlier I had thought Austria had a good chance to solo, himself, but Italy managed to fall back remarkably quickly and put up a heck of defense. Because of that, Stephen could never free up the one more fleet he needed to break Turkey. He was pretty much stalemated. I counted dots and realized that I didn't need any more dots in the east. If I could solo without stabbing my ally, I thought that was something my conscience could live with.

All I had to do was break France. I think I surprised myself and the other players at how quickly that happened. My strength advantage made an eventual victory likely, but I was expecting it was one of those things where I'd have to probe and probe until I finally got lucky and Stephen guessed wrong. Instead, I was fortunate early and managed to slip an army into Gascony. From that point, I knew I had it.

Diplomatically, I was really expecting a "Stop Germany" movement to develop sooner. The late push forward into Galicia/Bohemia/Ukraine was never actually a stab for dots at all. I was a preemptive defensive move against such a movement, just in case. As it turned out, it was a good strategic move, as it incited Austria to move his army out of Piedmont and thus leave Marseilles undefended in the last season, giving me my 18th dot a year earlier than expected. If that hadn't happened, I probably would have played it safer and convoyed the army over from Wales in order to take Brest and Paris.

Many thanks to all players. I really, really enjoyed the game, and I say that not just because I won. Some individualize comments:

Stephen (France) - It is a measure of my very high esteem for you and your abilities that I always considered you the biggest threat. The fact that I knew your gunboat resume was so impressive was one of the biggest reasons why I knew I had to get everyone talking again. In a quiet world, Stephen is the king. Sorry for times when it was necessary for me to lie to you, and thanks for your implied forgiveness in your closing remarks.

Andy (Italy) - Great fun to play in a game with you after having enjoyed having you as a GM. I thought we worked really well together and I feel we have complementary styles and attitudes towards the game. It would have been interesting to see how the game would have played out if Austria hadn't stabbed you when he did. If he and I had finished off Russia while you and I finished France, it might have settled into a nice three-way. Or, just maybe, you and I would have tackled Austria together. Could have been interesting.

Stephen (Austria) - Enjoyed meeting you, or meeting you again, perhaps? I don't remember the game, but you were already in my address book. Could have been another game where one of us was a replacement. Anyway, your reputation also precedes you. Great to have you on my side, but I was always a bit nervous about it, I admit. You were clearly watching me closely, concerned that I might get overambitious. Ironically, I think it was that attitude in part that helped me decide to make the solo attempt. I understand why you didn't tell me about the stab on Italy, but it would have been interesting if you had tried to convince me to go along with it instead of surprising me and thus not being there at first when I needed you in Russia. It made me a little more independent from that point on. Very interested to hear your thoughts on the game. Did you feel hamstrung by Graham's initial instructions to work with me? Was that all that kept me from feeling the knife in my back? And what about that comment that I had "established a pattern?" That one puzzled me.

Matt (Russia) - I never really thought you were that involved with the game. You worked with us for a while but didn't show much enthusiasm for our grand alliance. For me, when forced to choose, it was much easier to stay with the guys who wrote me often and responded promptly. That wasn't you in this game. Maybe next time?

Jack (Turkey) - You pretty much said it all in your EOG, which was that you didn't say much of anything in the game. That would have bothered me if I'd needed to make plans with you, but as it was, you did your "job" as a thorn in the Russian and Austrian sides without requiring any maintenance from Germany.

Finally, to Scott, The Packrat, our illustrious GM. I very much enjoyed interacting with you from a safe vantagepoint. You did a great job managing the game, from my POV. You cracked the whip when it needed cracking, which I appreciate. You were quick with the results and to answer any questions, which is very important to me because it seems I'm always pestering my GM's about something. Thanks very much and I shall certainly seek out your games in the future. I might even play with you again. The scars are mostly healed from the last time, I think. :-/

Cheers,
Chris

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DC 218 Italian EOG - TheWhiteWolf   (Sep 11, 2009, 11:21 am)
I may as well, before I forget. I have a really terrible memory. Let's see what I can remember, looking back at the history of the RP file.

Well, I started off on the unenviable British Isle. Not much better than Italy is used to, really. Austria and I initially agreed to work our way home together, with me taking part of Iberia and none of his other centers. Of course I knew from the start that this was a bum deal for me, since there would be no units left behind to defend my British centers. At the same time, I believe I was negotiating with France to get him home through Turkish Germany without annexing my northern centers.
I believe around the time i pushed Austria out of France, I had started talking to Germany about our future prospects. He knew he was losing all his southern centers, just as I knew I was losing all my western centers. So I tried to help him out by offering him Spain, just as I was getting home. Germany got the jump on Austria and I in builds at home by a year, but we didn't see that as a warning sign, and immediately started in on each other.
The next few years were constant begging of France and Germany not to take any more of my undefended centers because who else was going to hold the line against Lytton?? In the frenzy to get even and strike back, I never noticed the rapid expansion of Germany. It's like I had tunnel vision that could only focus on my little war. Stephen and I came to accords a little late - a mere one year before Chris snagged his last few centers. I could have finally struck back, but decided to try to salvage the game after it was already decided.
Congratulations to Chris, against whom I harbor no ill will. It was a hard fought battle and well deserved victory. Thanks to the ever-vigilant Scott/Packrat. It's always a pleasure to sail on such a tightly run ship.

Best of luck in the future,
Andy/Wolf

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - FlapJack   (Sep 11, 2009, 9:02 am)
EOG from Turkey...

i came, i saw, i ran home, i didn't do much else....i should have talked to my neighbors more early on..no point later on and i don't blame them for not talking to me at that point..unfortunately Austria  beat me home and Rus made it back around the same time as i did to Sev so wasn't very much i could do after that...congrats to germany--i thought aus/italy/ger all played very well...i'm glad the game wasn't ruin but the original french player's temper tantrum/resignation....

thanks to scott for being a great GM and i would play this if offered again...

jack

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Yes, you certainly have that right.  You guys ALL played a great game right to the end.

And I LOVE the irony over the victory - very poetic.



From: Stephen Worthy <stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:47:14 PM


Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914




And I might have won it if he hadn't called such attention to my headstart... although in fact with the calibre of players, people would have noticed themselves and what happened should still have happened.
 
Well played Chris - nice irony, I'd forgotten about ol' Vegas.  And thanks Scott for sticking with us!
 
regards,
Stephen


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 0:40:07
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

Worthy of note - the first person to abandon his position here was a VERY
vocal GERMANY - who absolutely insisted France was going to walk away
with it.

So while the former Germany demanded that I never email him again - it might
be fun if someone emailed MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])> and provided him the results.

Other than that - some EOG's would be nice.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16:54 AM
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





















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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - packrat   (Sep 10, 2009, 8:11 pm)
Yes, you certainly have that right. You guys ALL played a great game right to the end.

And I LOVE the irony over the victory - very poetic.


From: Stephen Worthy <stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:47:14 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

And I might have won it if he hadn't called such attention to my headstart... although in fact with the calibre of players, people would have noticed themselves and what happened should still have happened.

Well played Chris - nice irony, I'd forgotten about ol' Vegas. And thanks Scott for sticking with us!

regards,
Stephen


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 0:40:07
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

Worthy of note - the first person to abandon his position here was a VERY
vocal GERMANY - who absolutely insisted France was going to walk away
with it.

So while the former Germany demanded that I never email him again - it might
be fun if someone emailed MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com> and provided him the results.

Other than that - some EOG's would be nice.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16:54 AM
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - packrat   (Sep 10, 2009, 6:40 pm)
Worthy of note - the first person to abandon his position here was a VERY
vocal GERMANY - who absolutely insisted France was going to walk away
with it.

So while the former Germany demanded that I never email him again - it might
be fun if someone emailed MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com> and provided him the results.

Other than that - some EOG's would be nice.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16:54 AM
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 - packrat   (Sep 10, 2009, 6:16 am)
First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) packrat Sep 10, 06:40 pm
Worthy of note - the first person to abandon his position here was a VERY
vocal GERMANY - who absolutely insisted France was going to walk away
with it.

So while the former Germany demanded that I never email him again - it might
be fun if someone emailed MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com> and provided him the results.

Other than that - some EOG's would be nice.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16:54 AM
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) packrat Sep 10, 08:11 pm
Yes, you certainly have that right. You guys ALL played a great game right to the end.

And I LOVE the irony over the victory - very poetic.


From: Stephen Worthy <stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:47:14 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

And I might have won it if he hadn't called such attention to my headstart... although in fact with the calibre of players, people would have noticed themselves and what happened should still have happened.

Well played Chris - nice irony, I'd forgotten about ol' Vegas. And thanks Scott for sticking with us!

regards,
Stephen


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 0:40:07
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

Worthy of note - the first person to abandon his position here was a VERY
vocal GERMANY - who absolutely insisted France was going to walk away
with it.

So while the former Germany demanded that I never email him again - it might
be fun if someone emailed MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com> and provided him the results.

Other than that - some EOG's would be nice.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16:54 AM
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) FlapJack Sep 11, 09:02 am
EOG from Turkey...

i came, i saw, i ran home, i didn't do much else....i should have talked to my neighbors more early on..no point later on and i don't blame them for not talking to me at that point..unfortunately Austria  beat me home and Rus made it back around the same time as i did to Sev so wasn't very much i could do after that...congrats to germany--i thought aus/italy/ger all played very well...i'm glad the game wasn't ruin but the original french player's temper tantrum/resignation....

thanks to scott for being a great GM and i would play this if offered again...

jack

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Yes, you certainly have that right.  You guys ALL played a great game right to the end.

And I LOVE the irony over the victory - very poetic.



From: Stephen Worthy <stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:47:14 PM


Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914




And I might have won it if he hadn't called such attention to my headstart... although in fact with the calibre of players, people would have noticed themselves and what happened should still have happened.
 
Well played Chris - nice irony, I'd forgotten about ol' Vegas.  And thanks Scott for sticking with us!
 
regards,
Stephen


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 0:40:07
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

Worthy of note - the first person to abandon his position here was a VERY
vocal GERMANY - who absolutely insisted France was going to walk away
with it.

So while the former Germany demanded that I never email him again - it might
be fun if someone emailed MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])> and provided him the results.

Other than that - some EOG's would be nice.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16:54 AM
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





















DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) MattTheLesser Sep 14, 10:13 am
Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the
perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I
would have been ready to fend him off. As for the rest of this game, I
must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have
been a part. The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of
this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by
blowing the situation up into a huge argument. And, looking back at the
game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I
actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and
I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with
18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



------------------------------------------------------------------------

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) FlapJack Sep 14, 10:30 am
matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I would have been ready to fend him off.  As for the rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have been a part.  The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up into a huge argument.  And, looking back at the game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:
[quote:ef9c7e4ed5]
First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





------------------------------------------------------------------------


[/quote:ef9c7e4ed5]
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) MattTheLesser Sep 14, 10:36 am
Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there. I am not accusing
anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been
settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand
that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you
for this. And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and
why we play it. All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge
argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could
not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this
somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:

matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and
resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's
not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a
lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not
in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone
from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to
do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince
people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you
want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play
with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they
want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is
worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to
France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i
denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not
outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of
almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of
variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant
in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu
<mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the
rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's
tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole,
even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



------------------------------------------------------------------------


DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) camorse22 Sep 14, 10:46 am
I think I'm finally beginning to see why it was so difficult to get everyone engaged in the beginning. Sounds like burn-out from a rather nasty contretemps.

For what it's worth, I agree very strongly with the Jack's principles. That IS what Diplomacy is about. You can't up and quit just because someone doesn't accept your arguments. And if someone gets snotty or rude with me they can forget about getting my support after that.

Quitters ruin things for everyone, which is why I often step in and take replacement positions. I'm not quite as bold about it as I used to be, though. Now I check out who's playing and who's GM'ing before I sign up. Picking this game was easy on that score. I would gladly play with any of you gentlemen again.

Chris


From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:30:12 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:
[quote:d3f745c86d]
First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





------------------------------------------------------------------------


[/quote:d3f745c86d]
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) FlapJack Sep 14, 10:48 am
matt,

i understand..i tried to settle it quickly and i offered to resign but scott didn't feel that was necessary and i didn't want to mess the game up anymore so i stayed but that's part of the reason i didn't talk as much...it kind of left me feeling "what's the point?" after a player wanted me tossed from the game and then resigned when i wasn't...its a shame because i think this is a good variant and i would like to play it again...

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there.  I am not accusing anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you for this.  And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and why we play it.  All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:
[quote:8a12a69c55] matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]) <mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>> wrote:

   Hey guys,

   First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
   played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
   right before I would have been ready to fend him off.  As for the
   rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
   annoying games of which I have been a part.  The initial Germany's
   tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
   other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
   into a huge argument.  And, looking back at the game as a whole,
   even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
   with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
   play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

   Matt
   Russia

   Packrat wrote:

       First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
       solo with 18 centers!!

       Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
       end.

       The final orders:

       Austria:
       F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
       A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
       A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
       A Greece Hold
       A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
       A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
       A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
       A Tyrolia - Vienna
       F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
       A Venice - Tyrolia
       A Vienna - Budapest

       France:
       A Brest - Gascony
       A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
       A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

       Germany:
       A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
       A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
       F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
       A Galicia, no move received
       A Gascony - Marseilles
       F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
       A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
       A Munich Supports A Bohemia
       F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
       A Picardy - Brest
       A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
       A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
       A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
       A Wales Hold
       A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

       Italy:
       F Adriatic Sea Hold
       F Ionian Sea - Tunis
       F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
       A Tuscany - Rome

       Turkey:
       F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



       ------------------------------------------------------------------------






[/quote:8a12a69c55]
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914 (dc218) packrat Sep 14, 01:05 pm
Gentlemen:

Would any of you be interested in playing another round of shift left? Or perhaps
Shift Right? This would be a Vegas-free game. I would, of course, GM it.


From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:49:05 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

matt,

i understand..i tried to settle it quickly and i offered to resign but scott didn't feel that was necessary and i didn't want to mess the game up anymore so i stayed but that's part of the reason i didn't talk as much...it kind of left me feeling "what's the point?" after a player wanted me tossed from the game and then resigned when i wasn't...its a shame because i think this is a good variant and i would like to play it again...

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there. I am not accusing anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you for this. And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and why we play it. All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:
[quote:2616a3a193] matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]) <mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the
rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's
tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole,
even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

Packrat wrote:

First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



------------------------------------------------------------------------






[/quote:2616a3a193]
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: fall orders due 9/9/09 - packrat   (Sep 07, 2009, 6:15 pm)
This is a 48 hour warning. I am missing one set of orders. All the others
are in and marked final.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 11:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1914 results, fall orders due 9/9/09

No retreats are needed so we move right on to fall.

Somehow 9/9/09 just seemed like too good a date to pass up -
orders are due that day at 2100.


Austria:
F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Greece
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Constantinople - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Smyrna - Armenia
A Smyrna - Armenia
A Trieste Supports A Vienna
A Tuscany - Venice
A Vienna Supports A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Cut*)

France:
A Brest Supports A Paris
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold

Germany:
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Berlin - Silesia
A Bohemia - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Burgundy - Gascony
A Galicia - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Livonia - Warsaw
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Belgium - Burgundy
F North Sea - English Channel
F Norwegian Sea - North Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Paris (*Fails*)
A Spain Supports A Burgundy - Gascony
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia - Rumania
A Wales Hold

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Apulia - Naples
A Rome - Tuscany

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1914 results, fall order... - packrat   (Sep 03, 2009, 10:50 am)
Hey - if you guys get the orders in and marked FINAL I will adjudicate
once I have all marked final.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 11:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1914 results, fall orders due 9/9/09

No retreats are needed so we move right on to fall.

Somehow 9/9/09 just seemed like too good a date to pass up -
orders are due that day at 2100.


Austria:
F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Greece
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Constantinople - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Smyrna - Armenia
A Smyrna - Armenia
A Trieste Supports A Vienna
A Tuscany - Venice
A Vienna Supports A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Cut*)

France:
A Brest Supports A Paris
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold

Germany:
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Berlin - Silesia
A Bohemia - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Burgundy - Gascony
A Galicia - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Livonia - Warsaw
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Belgium - Burgundy
F North Sea - English Channel
F Norwegian Sea - North Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Paris (*Fails*)
A Spain Supports A Burgundy - Gascony
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia - Rumania
A Wales Hold

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Apulia - Naples
A Rome - Tuscany

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1914 results, fall order... - packrat   (Sep 02, 2009, 10:52 pm)
No retreats are needed so we move right on to fall.

Somehow 9/9/09 just seemed like too good a date to pass up -
orders are due that day at 2100.


Austria:
F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Greece
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Constantinople - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Smyrna - Armenia
A Smyrna - Armenia
A Trieste Supports A Vienna
A Tuscany - Venice
A Vienna Supports A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Cut*)

France:
A Brest Supports A Paris
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold

Germany:
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Berlin - Silesia
A Bohemia - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Burgundy - Gascony
A Galicia - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Livonia - Warsaw
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Belgium - Burgundy
F North Sea - English Channel
F Norwegian Sea - North Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Paris (*Fails*)
A Spain Supports A Burgundy - Gascony
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia - Rumania
A Wales Hold

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Apulia - Naples
A Rome - Tuscany

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1914 results, fall orders due 9/9/09 (dc218) packrat Sep 03, 10:50 am
Hey - if you guys get the orders in and marked FINAL I will adjudicate
once I have all marked final.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 11:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1914 results, fall orders due 9/9/09

No retreats are needed so we move right on to fall.

Somehow 9/9/09 just seemed like too good a date to pass up -
orders are due that day at 2100.


Austria:
F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Greece
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Constantinople - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Smyrna - Armenia
A Smyrna - Armenia
A Trieste Supports A Vienna
A Tuscany - Venice
A Vienna Supports A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Cut*)

France:
A Brest Supports A Paris
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold

Germany:
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Berlin - Silesia
A Bohemia - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Burgundy - Gascony
A Galicia - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Livonia - Warsaw
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Belgium - Burgundy
F North Sea - English Channel
F Norwegian Sea - North Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Paris (*Fails*)
A Spain Supports A Burgundy - Gascony
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia - Rumania
A Wales Hold

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Albania - Ionian Sea
F Apulia - Naples
A Rome - Tuscany

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol
DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: WInterl 1913, Spring 1914 Due 9... - packrat   (Aug 27, 2009, 11:58 pm)
Okay gents, here are the adjustments. I can't find any adjustment
from France so I disbanded per the rules. Stephen - if you have a
copy of the orders with the receipt please forward it to me and I will
correct things. However, this stands as the map.

Spring orders are due 9/2/09 at 2100


Austria:
Build A Vienna

France:
Remove F Mid-Atlantic Ocean

Germany:
Build A Munich
Build A Berlin

Turkey:
Remove A Armenia

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - FlapJack   (Aug 25, 2009, 12:29 pm)
LOL..i love it...maybe i'll use it for my next game with PR.....%-O....lol

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Yeah, I've decided that in the next game we play together, my preference list is going to look like this:

As far from Packrat as possible
Any corner Packrat's not heading for
Any center power that has a shot of eliminating Packrat
Anything else, cuz I'm just going to fall to Packrat anyway

;o)
Andy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/


--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:600e7b9a98]hey, Hey, HEY!!!!!  NO bashing the GM!!!!

Seriously though, yeah, Andy and I have been in games together on quite a few occasions.
Unfortunately for him he usually winds up being where I want to go and that usually spells
disaster for him.  Nothing personal mind you, that just seems to be what happens more often
than not.  About 5 years ago I had a similar relationship with Shane Armstrong.  No matter
where we wound up, or if I came in as a replacement, we ALWAYS wound up fighting.





[/quote:600e7b9a98]

[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - TheWhiteWolf   (Aug 25, 2009, 11:45 am)
Yeah, I've decided that in the next game we play together, my preference list is going to look like this:

As far from Packrat as possible
Any corner Packrat's not heading for
Any center power that has a shot of eliminating Packrat
Anything else, cuz I'm just going to fall to Packrat anyway

;o)
Andy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

hey, Hey, HEY!!!!! NO bashing the GM!!!!

Seriously though, yeah, Andy and I have been in games together on quite a few occasions.
Unfortunately for him he usually winds up being where I want to go and that usually spells
disaster for him. Nothing personal mind you, that just seems to be what happens more often
than not. About 5 years ago I had a similar relationship with Shane Armstrong. No matter
where we wound up, or if I came in as a replacement, we ALWAYS wound up fighting.



[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - packrat   (Aug 25, 2009, 10:45 am)
hey, Hey, HEY!!!!! NO bashing the GM!!!!

Seriously though, yeah, Andy and I have been in games together on quite a few occasions.
Unfortunately for him he usually winds up being where I want to go and that usually spells
disaster for him. Nothing personal mind you, that just seems to be what happens more often
than not. About 5 years ago I had a similar relationship with Shane Armstrong. No matter
where we wound up, or if I came in as a replacement, we ALWAYS wound up fighting.


From: C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>
To: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:28:07 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

Oh, you've played with Packrat, too?

While I think it would be great if you and the Sultan would continue to ignore me, I understand you have to do what you have to do. (No you don't! Attack Austria!)

You may rest assured that I, for one, will not call you names or attack your character whatever you may choose.

Kaiser Chris
The "Nice" Tyrant


From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:19 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Okay.

I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.

I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me

Steve


[Reply]

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - FlapJack   (Aug 25, 2009, 9:26 am)
chris,

i didn't mean for you to think i was ignoriong, i just thought that there was nothing to discuss with you, at least not until you attacked austria and i got some more dots...i only had enough units to hold my centers and attack austria, which is what i did....i didn't mean to slight you by not writing i just didn't feel i had anything to say to you until both of the conditions in my first sentence were met but neither was...i never had more than three centers and you never attacked austria (not that i blame you for not meeting the latter condition, i don't know if i would have attacked austria in your shoes and i got a 2 way in my first dip game last year on DC so i can hardly blame you if you were going for a 2 draw with austria)

i also never attacked you, chris, for one other important reason, my units were never next to your centers...given the opportunity i probably would have tried to swipe a dot or two from you...as i am a greedy bastard--just ask anyone whose played with me--as i agree with the wolf, that is the point of the game, i just don't get many centers cause i'm a terrible player but that's a sob story for another note on another day.

jack
turkey

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:28 AM, C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Oh, you've played with Packrat, too?
 
While I think it would be great if you and the Sultan would continue to ignore me, I understand you have to do what you have to do.  (No you don't!  Attack Austria!)
 
You may rest assured that I, for one, will not call you names or attack your character whatever you may choose.
 
Kaiser Chris
The "Nice" Tyrant




From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:19 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09



Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:df30a73bb1] Okay.
 
I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.
 
I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me
 
Steve










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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - camorse22   (Aug 25, 2009, 6:28 am)
Oh, you've played with Packrat, too?

While I think it would be great if you and the Sultan would continue to ignore me, I understand you have to do what you have to do. (No you don't! Attack Austria!)

You may rest assured that I, for one, will not call you names or attack your character whatever you may choose.

Kaiser Chris
The "Nice" Tyrant


From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:19 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Okay.

I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.

I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me

Steve


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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - TheWhiteWolf   (Aug 25, 2009, 3:47 am)
Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Okay.

I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.

I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me

Steve


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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 - packrat   (Aug 24, 2009, 8:40 pm)
No retreats so we move right to winter; What I need is:

Austria: Supp 11 Unit 10 Build 1
England: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
France: Supp 3 Unit 4 Remove 1
Germany: Supp 15 Unit 13 Build 2
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1

Let's have those in by Wednesday night at 2100



Austria:
F Aegean Sea Supports A Constantinople - Smyrna
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Constantinople - Smyrna
F Greece - Ionian Sea
A Piedmont - Venice (*Bounce*)
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol
A Serbia - Bulgaria
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania (*Cut*)
A Trieste Supports A Piedmont - Venice
A Tuscany - Rome (*Fails*)

France:
A Brest Supports A Paris
A Marseilles - Gascony
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel (*Bounce*)
A Paris Supports A Brest

Germany:
A Burgundy - Picardy
F English Channel - Irish Sea
A Gascony - Spain
A Holland - Belgium
A Livonia Supports A St Petersburg - Moscow
A Munich - Bohemia
F North Sea - English Channel (*Bounce*)
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Silesia - Galicia
A St Petersburg - Moscow
A Ukraine Supports A Silesia - Galicia
A Wales Hold

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Apulia - Venice
F Apulia - Venice (*Bounce*)
F Ionian Sea - Albania
A Rome Supports F Apulia - Venice (*Cut*)

Turkey:
A Armenia - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
F Black Sea Supports A Armenia - Sevastopol

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 (dc218) TheWhiteWolf Aug 25, 03:47 am
Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Okay.

I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.

I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me

Steve


DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 (dc218) camorse22 Aug 25, 06:28 am
Oh, you've played with Packrat, too?

While I think it would be great if you and the Sultan would continue to ignore me, I understand you have to do what you have to do. (No you don't! Attack Austria!)

You may rest assured that I, for one, will not call you names or attack your character whatever you may choose.

Kaiser Chris
The "Nice" Tyrant


From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:19 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Okay.

I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.

I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me

Steve


DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 (dc218) FlapJack Aug 25, 09:26 am
chris,

i didn't mean for you to think i was ignoriong, i just thought that there was nothing to discuss with you, at least not until you attacked austria and i got some more dots...i only had enough units to hold my centers and attack austria, which is what i did....i didn't mean to slight you by not writing i just didn't feel i had anything to say to you until both of the conditions in my first sentence were met but neither was...i never had more than three centers and you never attacked austria (not that i blame you for not meeting the latter condition, i don't know if i would have attacked austria in your shoes and i got a 2 way in my first dip game last year on DC so i can hardly blame you if you were going for a 2 draw with austria)

i also never attacked you, chris, for one other important reason, my units were never next to your centers...given the opportunity i probably would have tried to swipe a dot or two from you...as i am a greedy bastard--just ask anyone whose played with me--as i agree with the wolf, that is the point of the game, i just don't get many centers cause i'm a terrible player but that's a sob story for another note on another day.

jack
turkey

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:28 AM, C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Oh, you've played with Packrat, too?
 
While I think it would be great if you and the Sultan would continue to ignore me, I understand you have to do what you have to do.  (No you don't!  Attack Austria!)
 
You may rest assured that I, for one, will not call you names or attack your character whatever you may choose.
 
Kaiser Chris
The "Nice" Tyrant




From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com ([email]the_master642(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]); matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]); scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email]); stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com ([email]stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com[/email]); camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email]); dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:19 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09



Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:df30a73bb1] Okay.
 
I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.
 
I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me
 
Steve










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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 (dc218) packrat Aug 25, 10:45 am
hey, Hey, HEY!!!!! NO bashing the GM!!!!

Seriously though, yeah, Andy and I have been in games together on quite a few occasions.
Unfortunately for him he usually winds up being where I want to go and that usually spells
disaster for him. Nothing personal mind you, that just seems to be what happens more often
than not. About 5 years ago I had a similar relationship with Shane Armstrong. No matter
where we wound up, or if I came in as a replacement, we ALWAYS wound up fighting.


From: C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>
To: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:28:07 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

Oh, you've played with Packrat, too?

While I think it would be great if you and the Sultan would continue to ignore me, I understand you have to do what you have to do. (No you don't! Attack Austria!)

You may rest assured that I, for one, will not call you names or attack your character whatever you may choose.

Kaiser Chris
The "Nice" Tyrant


From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: the_master642(at)yahoo.com; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:19 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

Well, this certainly is an in-your-face kind of diplomacy. Have you been taking lessons from out esteemed GM? ;o) Joking on all counts, of course, lest I offend anyone.
I didn't realize a solo attempt was equated to greed these days. I thought that was the goal! Of course, it's not my goal to see someone else get the solo, so I look forward to stopping it! (Sorry, Chris, that's the burden of board-leader.)

Wolf of Italy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Okay.

I was willing to work with Germany but since Chris has decided to be greedy and go for the solo, if France/Italy/Turkey would like me to stop him.. I shall. I will declare peace on all Others except for Germany.

I shall leave you to decide if you kingmake germany's solo by continuing to attack me, or if you make the effort to actually email and work with me

Steve


DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 (dc218) TheWhiteWolf Aug 25, 11:45 am
Yeah, I've decided that in the next game we play together, my preference list is going to look like this:

As far from Packrat as possible
Any corner Packrat's not heading for
Any center power that has a shot of eliminating Packrat
Anything else, cuz I'm just going to fall to Packrat anyway

;o)
Andy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

hey, Hey, HEY!!!!! NO bashing the GM!!!!

Seriously though, yeah, Andy and I have been in games together on quite a few occasions.
Unfortunately for him he usually winds up being where I want to go and that usually spells
disaster for him. Nothing personal mind you, that just seems to be what happens more often
than not. About 5 years ago I had a similar relationship with Shane Armstrong. No matter
where we wound up, or if I came in as a replacement, we ALWAYS wound up fighting.



DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09 (dc218) FlapJack Aug 25, 12:29 pm
LOL..i love it...maybe i'll use it for my next game with PR.....%-O....lol

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Yeah, I've decided that in the next game we play together, my preference list is going to look like this:

As far from Packrat as possible
Any corner Packrat's not heading for
Any center power that has a shot of eliminating Packrat
Anything else, cuz I'm just going to fall to Packrat anyway

;o)
Andy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/


--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:600e7b9a98]hey, Hey, HEY!!!!!  NO bashing the GM!!!!

Seriously though, yeah, Andy and I have been in games together on quite a few occasions.
Unfortunately for him he usually winds up being where I want to go and that usually spells
disaster for him.  Nothing personal mind you, that just seems to be what happens more often
than not.  About 5 years ago I had a similar relationship with Shane Armstrong.  No matter
where we wound up, or if I came in as a replacement, we ALWAYS wound up fighting.





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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1913 results. Fall 1913... - stephenworthy at rocke...   (Aug 24, 2009, 1:34 am)
To my mind:

Win = good result
Draw = okay result
Survival while other people draw = Survival while someone else wins = elimination = bad result

It doesn't matter how many centres you've got if you don't get a win or part of the draw, and that's exactly the approach the game rules imply. As it happens I've been going against my principles and voting for the draw recently, but only because I'm trying to pull out of diplomacy at the moment.

regards,
Stephen


From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Cc: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 4:44:35
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1913 results. Fall 1913 Due 8/24/09

pengie---that's not what i meant...i simply meant what i said, namely i won't vote for any non-DIAS draws....i have no illusions about my ability to decide the winner (i don't have that ability nor would i use it if i had it unless it were to help me win.)

as for my my caliber of my play--my position speaks for itself, i'm terrible...

for the record i think italy and germany are doing the best the can and both are in a far better position than i am so i'm the last one to cast aspersions on anyone else's ablity in this game and i will heartily and sincerely congratulate whomever wins or is in the draw.

game on!

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

Ah Interesting

I reaad those comments as

"Italy/Germany are not playing for the best position they can achieve but are happy to allow someone else to get a solo by Kingmaking."

At least now I know the calibre of players in this game,


2009/8/24 The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
[quote:4a595f0017] Italy has taken that approach also. Neither one of us is big fish, but we're still here. Deal with it. ;o)

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:4a595f0017] for the record..turkey will veto all non-DIAS draws...you want the win...come and get me



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--
Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Alliance
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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 1913 results. Fall 1913... - FlapJack   (Aug 23, 2009, 10:44 pm)
pengie---that's not what i meant...i simply meant what i said, namely i won't vote for any non-DIAS draws....i have no illusions about my ability to decide the winner (i don't have that ability nor would i use it if i had it unless it were to help me win.)

as for my my caliber of my play--my position speaks for itself, i'm terrible...

for the record i think italy and germany are doing the best the can and both are in a far better position than i am so i'm the last one to cast aspersions on anyone else's ablity in this game and i will heartily and sincerely congratulate whomever wins or is in the draw.

game on!

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

Ah Interesting
 
I reaad those comments as
 
"Italy/Germany are not playing for the best position they can achieve but are happy to allow someone else to get a solo by Kingmaking."
 
At least now I know the calibre of players in this game,


2009/8/24 The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
[quote:8a4eb17177] Italy has taken that approach also. Neither one of us is big fish, but we're still here. Deal with it. ;o)

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:8a4eb17177] for the record..turkey will veto all non-DIAS draws...you want the win...come and get me



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--
Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Alliance
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