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========================================Message Received: Jan 07 2009, 02:38 AMFrom: "Packrat" To: "Packrat" , the_master642(at)yahoo.com, "The White Wolf" , jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" , g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.comCc: "Former Trout" , dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" , mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comSubject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Fall 1902 results - SPRING 1903 DUE 1/13/09 at 2100 EST
Thank you all for getting the orders in - especially those who did so ON TIME.Spring 1903 orders are DUE Tuesday January 13 at 2100 EST - PLEASE get themin on time.Nobody is home yet, but the status is shaping up like this:Austria: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0England: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0France: Supp 7 Unit 4 Build 0Germany: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 0Italy: Supp 6 Unit 3 Build 0Russia: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 0Turkey: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0Austria: A Munich Supports A Berlin - KielA Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Fails*)F Portugal - Spain(sc)England: F Adriatic Sea - Ionian SeaA Trieste - TyroliaA Vienna Supports A Trieste - TyroliaFrance: A Berlin - KielF Black Sea - Rumania (*Bounce*)F Denmark Supports A Berlin - KielA Warsaw - SilesiaGermany: F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Fails*)A Constantinople - BulgariaA Greece - Serbia (*Fails*)Italy: A Brest - ParisF English Channel - BrestF Mid-Atlantic Ocean - PortugalRussia: A Apulia - VeniceA Serbia - Rumania (*Bounce*)F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western MediterraneanTurkey: A Bohemia - GaliciaA Silesia - Berlin[ 218-fa02.dpy (5.8 Kb) ][ 218-FA02.GIF (31.7 Kb) ]

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========================================Message Received: Dec 23 2008, 03:45 AMFrom: "The White Wolf" To: "Jack McHugh" , "graham allen" , "Packrat" Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)gmail.com, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comSubject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1Don't worry, Packrat, I'll vote no for any solo that isn't for Italy. Anybody wanna team up against Michael and help him end his tenure in this game honorably?WolfI'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Packrat wrote:[quote:4e6e56cd29]From: Packrat Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1To: "Jack McHugh" , "graham allen" Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com, stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)gmail.com, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comDate: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:34 PM


As the GM I will follow with what you guys want to do - but I think this line ofdiscussion is ludicrous. To vote a solo to a player with SIX DOTS is nuts. SLor not, please don't let one players delusions sway you to an endgame that is farfrom assured. Yes, Michael has some points and they may even have some merit,but there is life in this game if you clowns would just get together it would be differentindeed.One player's view is just that, one player's view. England is a new player and the priorEngland was inexperienced to say the least. There has been relatively NO coordinationbetween any players and I don't gave a hoot what variant you play, if players do notwork together then crap happens.Like I said, if you guys want to vote France a solo that is your choice and if someone actuallyproposes it for real I will put it out for a vote. However, I think to do that in the Spring/Summerof 1902 is absolutely nuts. I have played this variant too and THIS GAME is FAR from beingdecided.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1
To: "Jack McHugh" <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>, "graham allen" <g_mod23(at)hotmail.com>
Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com, stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)gmail.com, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:34 PM

As the GM I will follow with what you guys want to do - but I think this line of
discussion is ludicrous. To vote a solo to a player with SIX DOTS is nuts. SL
or not, please don't let one players delusions sway you to an endgame that is far
from assured. Yes, Michael has some points and they may even have some merit,
but there is life in this game if you clowns would just get together it would be different
indeed.

One player's view is just that, one player's view. England is a new player and the prior
England was inexperienced to say the least. There has been relatively NO coordination
between any players and I don't gave a hoot what variant you play, if players do not
work together then crap happens.

Like I said, if you guys want to vote France a solo that is your choice and if someone actually
proposes it for real I will put it out for a vote. However, I think to do that in the Spring/Summer
of 1902 is absolutely nuts. I have played this variant too and THIS GAME is FAR from being
decided.

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I don't think Turkeys moves are worst orders so far this game. Yes he should have kept Berlin and he probably should have moved F Kiel to Denmark, but I think there are 3 or 4 worse strategic choices.... I made 1, letting Italy through.... Germany gave up Black and didn't take Armenia.... Italy invaded France (poor play in game context).... Russia opened himself up too much and could easily be eliminated....


There are 4 bad plays by different people.... The only country that can win after all these moves is France, as they will get home (which is unusual) and they have the run of the Northern side of the board.... I am happy to vote for a French solo....






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ok - you wanted a response apparently. SL & 1600 are the 2 games that can draw me in (A Med sometimes) to play. 1600 due to map & flow. SL because it is quite like a version of Dip we had to create to get wargamers to play Dip. Early on Dep was a game one gently directed people unable to handle the complexity of morale; tactics; supply; troop quality; etc of even some of the simpler wargames. Wargamers(WGs) were the majority then. The 1st dip games I Gm'd in early 70s ran into WGs who absolutely walked out when faced with "ridiculous" rules such as beleagured garrisons & the idea 2 russian armies even equaled 1 german 1 in WWI (Tannenberg) let alone defeated same. SL is a taut, tactics-filled game where trapping & popping other units is everything. Most SL games played from this mindset are basically decided by yr 06 or 07 & with little or no building as there is no need (or likelihood with proper interdiction) for it. No need for a boring Standard to
appear at all. Not only did you not defend Ber as I mentioned you had to but you now actually turned around & attacked Mun which is inconceivable. Getting that back helps you not a whit. There are no strategies being employed here - traditional or otherwise. You avoid getting disbands & you inflict them on others. You are (were) the critical lynchpin between favored France and an easy win & you jumped out of his way 2 consecutive turns even after being warned what was going to happen. Austria is trying but can't do your work for you. If people are so desperate for the farce to continue with gunboat moves fine. I signed up for a SL & this ain't 1. No 1 looking at the map & knowing they can't rebuild lost units would do what has been done here.

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From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:22 PM
whoops, on correction, my last sentence in the first
paragraph should read:

i would turn your complaint around and if you want people
to play "normal"
strategies then sign up for a "normal" dip game

gmail deleted a line on me...

jack

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Jack McHugh
<jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote:be30df2014]Michael,

while i sympathize with your frustration in view of

play but this is a VARIANT.....which means traditional

so i'm trying new things here--if they don't

from my mistakes...iits like you sign up for a

extra pieces and then you ar3 upset no one uses a king

would "normal" dip game start.

i am also a bit offended (don't worry i'll get

about my play--as someone else said this is also game

sometimes people get taken in, i guess i was....but i

your home centers so you can BUILD was such an awful

i wish u would stop acting like it was some big

Also quitting really sucks, as i assume everyone will

game starts even if they don't like the game or

playing...you should play out the game unless there is

of cheating or other illegal activity..i am currently

viking dip..i really don't like the variant but i

and i'm going to play it out, even though i

would be unfair to the other players, some of whom may

assume because I don't like a game or am not

else is...and i certainly don't blame the other

design or their play...anticipating how players will

the designer's job, to blame them for taking

the effect for the cause...

just my two cents,

Jack


On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, MICHAEL BOUTOT

[quote:be30df2014]
Worst played game imaginable & they still

[quote:be30df2014]wrong: Stephen can not lose unless he tries to by

[quote:be30df2014]when it is needless to do so just to pretend a

[quote:be30df2014]& run dozens of these - interdict 1st or

[quote:be30df2014]means you want to play Standard - plenty of that

[quote:be30df2014]elsewhere. Sorry about your son but this game is

[quote:be30df2014]were fine (blocked Ven as R should have & the

[quote:be30df2014]
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[quote:be30df2014]
[quote:be30df2014]From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, "The White

[quote:be30df2014]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy"

[quote:be30df2014]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu,

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]Cc: "Former Trout"

[quote:be30df2014]"Steve Lytton"

[quote:be30df2014]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
[quote:be30df2014]Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]today. We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]falling branches. Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game?

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that.

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]me. Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse)

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]will pass. I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM,

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can,

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]and 11. I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]replace you. Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam

[quote:be30df2014][quote:be30df2014]on board.

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From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:22 PM
whoops, on correction, my last sentence in the first
paragraph should read:

i would turn your complaint around and if you want people
to play "normal"
strategies then sign up for a "normal" dip game

gmail deleted a line on me...

jack

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Jack McHugh
<jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote:30f4402538]Michael,

while i sympathize with your frustration in view of

play but this is a VARIANT.....which means traditional

so i'm trying new things here--if they don't

from my mistakes...iits like you sign up for a

extra pieces and then you ar3 upset no one uses a king

would "normal" dip game start.

i am also a bit offended (don't worry i'll get

about my play--as someone else said this is also game

sometimes people get taken in, i guess i was....but i

your home centers so you can BUILD was such an awful

i wish u would stop acting like it was some big

Also quitting really sucks, as i assume everyone will

game starts even if they don't like the game or

playing...you should play out the game unless there is

of cheating or other illegal activity..i am currently

viking dip..i really don't like the variant but i

and i'm going to play it out, even though i

would be unfair to the other players, some of whom may

assume because I don't like a game or am not

else is...and i certainly don't blame the other

design or their play...anticipating how players will

the designer's job, to blame them for taking

the effect for the cause...

just my two cents,

Jack


On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, MICHAEL BOUTOT

[quote:30f4402538]
Worst played game imaginable & they still

[quote:30f4402538]wrong: Stephen can not lose unless he tries to by

[quote:30f4402538]when it is needless to do so just to pretend a

[quote:30f4402538]& run dozens of these - interdict 1st or

[quote:30f4402538]means you want to play Standard - plenty of that

[quote:30f4402538]elsewhere. Sorry about your son but this game is

[quote:30f4402538]were fine (blocked Ven as R should have & the

[quote:30f4402538]
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[quote:30f4402538]
[quote:30f4402538]From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, "The White

[quote:30f4402538]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy"

[quote:30f4402538]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu,

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]Cc: "Former Trout"

[quote:30f4402538]"Steve Lytton"

[quote:30f4402538]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
[quote:30f4402538]Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]today. We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]falling branches. Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game?

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that.

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]me. Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse)

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]will pass. I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM,

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can,

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]and 11. I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]replace you. Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam

[quote:30f4402538][quote:30f4402538]on board.

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========================================Message Received: Dec 22 2008, 03:35 AMFrom: "Packrat" To: "Packrat" , "MICHAEL BOUTOT" , "The White Wolf" , jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" , g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.comCc: "Former Trout" , dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" , mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comSubject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Spring 02 results - Fall 1902 due 12-26 at 2100 EST

I am hoping Michael will continue on in this and will not be seeking a replacementat this time. I am going to set the deadline for 12/26 at 2100 EST. I *know* this is the day after Christmas so if that deadline does not work just let me know and Ican extend it.There are no retreats needed so we move straight to fall. Any questions or errorsjust let me know.
Austria: A Munich - Kiel (*Bounce*)A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Bounce*)F Portugal - Spain - (*void*) - NO COAST specifiedEngland: F Adriatic Sea - Apulia (*Fails*)A Trieste - Venice (*Bounce*)A Vienna - Tyrolia (*Bounce*)France: A Berlin - Kiel (*Bounce*)F Black Sea - Rumania (*Bounce*)F Sweden - DenmarkA Warsaw - Silesia (*Fails*)Germany: F Aegean Sea Supports F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea (*Void*)A Bulgaria - GreeceA Smyrna - ConstantinopleItaly: F English Channel Convoys A Wales - BrestF Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal (*Fails*)A Wales - BrestRussia: A Apulia - Venice (*Bounce*)F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian SeaA Serbia - Rumania (*Bounce*)Turkey: A Bohemia - Munich (*Fails*)A Silesia Supports A Bohemia - Munich (*Cut*)[ 218-sp02.GIF (30.9 Kb) ][ 218-sp02.dpy (4.8 Kb) ]

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Michael,

while i sympathize with your frustration in view of your opinion of our play but this is a VARIANT.....which means traditional strategies don't work so i'm trying new things here--if they don't work fine...then i'll learn from my mistakes...iits like you sign up for a varient chess game with extra pieces and then you ar3 upset no one uses a king pawn opening...i would "normal" dip game start.

i am also a bit offended (don't worry i'll get over it) by your complaining about my play--as someone else said this is also game of diplomacy, sometimes people get taken in, i guess i was....but i don't think getting to your home centers so you can BUILD was such an awful assumption to make and i wish u would stop acting like it was some big conspiracy to screw you....

Also quitting really sucks, as i assume everyone will play out all the DC game starts even if they don't like the game or how they other players are playing...you should play out the game unless there is some clear evidence of cheating or other illegal activity..i am currently playing in dc207 viking dip..i really don't like the variant but i played to see if i liked and i'm going to play it out, even though i don't like it, for me to quit would be unfair to the other players, some of whom may like it. I don't assume because I don't like a game or am not enjoying it therefore no one else is...and i certainly don't blame the other players for the variant design or their play...anticipating how players will play to me is part of the designer's job, to blame them for taking advantage of design is blaming the effect for the cause...

just my two cents,

Jack


On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:d089b63b4c]
Worst played game imaginable & they still don't acknowledge it. Dead wrong: Stephen can not lose unless he tries to by continuing to negotiate when it is needless to do so just to pretend a game is going on. Have played & run dozens of these - interdict 1st or don't enter the game. Running home means you want to play Standard - plenty of that simple stuff available elsewhere. Sorry about your son but this game is hopeless. Both E's moves were fine (blocked Ven as R should have & the like) so no issue there.

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:d089b63b4c]From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]), "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]), "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]), matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]), scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>, mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email]), stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them at some point
today. We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost killed by
falling branches. Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but how, exactly,
does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game? You may see
this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you are wrong.
Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that. There is a new
Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by anyone but
me. Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse) and this too
will pass. I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to the end but I
am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM, please do not give
me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can, there are
family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it done between 4
and 11. I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted already and
take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me know and I will
replace you. Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam and keep you
on board.

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Worst played game imaginable & they still don't acknowledge it. Dead wrong: Stephen can not lose unless he tries to by continuing to negotiate when it is needless to do so just to pretend a game is going on. Have played & run dozens of these - interdict 1st or don't enter the game. Running home means you want to play Standard - plenty of that simple stuff available elsewhere. Sorry about your son but this game is hopeless. Both E's moves were fine (blocked Ven as R should have & the like) so no issue there.

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:5386912030]From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]), "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]), "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]), matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]), scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])
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Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them at some point
today. We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost killed by
falling branches. Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but how, exactly,
does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game? You may see
this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you are wrong.
Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that. There is a new
Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by anyone but
me. Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse) and this too
will pass. I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to the end but I
am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM, please do not give
me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can, there are
family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it done between 4
and 11. I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted already and
take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me know and I will
replace you. Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam and keep you
on board.

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