On top of a game with a very slow start some of the openings have just handed this 1 to France so why waste more time? Worst SL I have ever seen. He can't lose if he just stops negotiating & moves ahead. Russian moves that should have had R elim or at 1 in 03 + no interdiction at all. No interdiction by T & still not going to get home if that's the goal. Italy not lined up to intedict. Can't do end runs around & let people through. F even made the 1 move he can't make with out making an implacable foe (also can't benefit from it) but it doesn't matter because most players are refusing to play SL & are instead making up thier own game,. Give me the abandon shame - can't stomach this any more. Great scenario if played properly.

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========================================Message Received: Dec 21 2008, 01:35 PMFrom: "MICHAEL BOUTOT" To: "The White Wolf" , jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" , g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, "Packrat" Cc: "Former Trout" , dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" , mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comSubject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1Worst played game imaginable & they still don't acknowledge it. Dead wrong: Stephen can not lose unless he tries to by continuing to negotiate when it is needless to do so just to pretend a game is going on. Have played & run dozens of these - interdict 1st or don't enter the game. Running home means you want to play Standard - plenty of that simple stuff available elsewhere. Sorry about your son but this game is hopeless. Both E's moves were fine (blocked Ven as R should have & the like) so no issue there.--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Packrat wrote:> From: Packrat > Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out of this 1> To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, "The White Wolf" , jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" , g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com> Cc: "Former Trout" , dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" , mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM> A couple of things here folks - > Orders were due Friday and I will get to them at some point> today. We had 1/2" or more> of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost killed by> falling branches. Sorry, but that> took priority.> > Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but how, exactly,> does your being a poor sport> and running for the hills help this game? You may see> this game as over, but I think it> is a far cry from that and I also believe you are wrong. > Unfortunately me being the GM> precludes me from commenting beyond that. There is a new> Enland on the board and> his first set of moves has yet to be seen by anyone but> me. Trust me, I have thrown > similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse) and this too> will pass. I would prefer > that you stayed in the game and played it to the end but I> am not going to beg you to.> I already think you are an ass as a GM, please do not give> me reason to think you > are as a player as well.> > ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can, there are> family events going on from > 1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it done between 4> and 11. I will run > this season with the orders Michael submitted already and> take it from there.> > Michael - if you still want out just let me know and I will> replace you. Otherwise> I will assume you were just blowing off steam and keep you> on board.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]), "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]), "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]), matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]), scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>, mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email]), stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them at some point
today. We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost killed by
falling branches. Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but how, exactly,
does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game? You may see
this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you are wrong.
Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that. There is a new
Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by anyone but
me. Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse) and this too
will pass. I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to the end but I
am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM, please do not give
me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can, there are
family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it done between 4
and 11. I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted already and
take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me know and I will
replace you. Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam and keep you
on board.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them at some point
today.  We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost killed by
falling branches.  Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but how, exactly,
does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game?  You may see
this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you are wrong. 
Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that.  There is a new
Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by anyone but
me.  Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse) and this too
will pass.  I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to the end but I
am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM, please do not give
me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL:  I will adjudicate later today if I can, there are
family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it done between 4
and 11.  I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted already and
take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me know and I will
replace you.  Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam and keep you
on board.

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From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: DELAY OF GAME HEY! TROUT
To: "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>, "MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, "Elise Troemel" <etphonehome333(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8:05 PM
Gee, I don't know about that idea.... You know, the
moral dilemma of GM-to-player transition, the potential of
players already having revealed sensitive information to
you, the fact that I signed up to play for Packrat, not
against Packrat... These are important considerations,
especially the last!

Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: DELAY OF GAME HEY! TROUT
To: "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>,
"MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>,
"The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>,
jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy"
<stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com,
matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, "Elise Troemel"
<etphonehome333(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Former Trout"
<former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com,
"Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>,
mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:05 PM

Okay folks, Elise is just to loaded down with work at
school.  I'm
not sure why, but they have loaded the kids up pretty good.

I am going to need a replacement for the English player.

Now, I have an idea that might work to make this go a bit
faster but
I have to run it by all of you first.

I am guessing I can get someone to GM and I will take
Elise's place
AFTER this season is adjudicated.  Trout, can you submit
orders for
Elise (England) and then take over as GM and I will take
over as England?
Unless, of course, you want to play England.

Lets see what Trout says so I know what my options are.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: DELAY OF GAME HEY! TROUT
To: "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>, "MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>, "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, "Elise Troemel" <etphonehome333(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:05 PM

Okay folks, Elise is just to loaded down with work at school. I'm
not sure why, but they have loaded the kids up pretty good.

I am going to need a replacement for the English player.

Now, I have an idea that might work to make this go a bit faster but
I have to run it by all of you first.

I am guessing I can get someone to GM and I will take Elise's place
AFTER this season is adjudicated. Trout, can you submit orders for
Elise (England) and then take over as GM and I will take over as England?
Unless, of course, you want to play England.

Lets see what Trout says so I know what my options are.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: DELAY OF GAME HEY! TROUT
To: "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>, "MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>, "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, "Elise Troemel" <etphonehome333(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:05 PM

Okay folks, Elise is just to loaded down with work at school. I'm
not sure why, but they have loaded the kids up pretty good.

I am going to need a replacement for the English player.

Now, I have an idea that might work to make this go a bit faster but
I have to run it by all of you first.

I am guessing I can get someone to GM and I will take Elise's place
AFTER this season is adjudicated. Trout, can you submit orders for
Elise (England) and then take over as GM and I will take over as England?
Unless, of course, you want to play England.

Lets see what Trout says so I know what my options are.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DC 218 SP01 SHIFT LEFT FA 01 orders due 12/01/08 (at) 2100
To: "Packrat" <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>, "MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>, "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, "Elise Troemel" <etphonehome333(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:13 AM
Just a follow up -
The family and I wound up staying in northern Wisconsin due
to snow
storms so we will all be leaving later today and heading
home. I have all
the orders and have loaded them into Realpolitik but since
not all of them
are marked final I cannot process and post the results.

Depending on the ride home and how long it takes I may not
get them out
tonight. If not, they will go out Tuesday.

However, if I do get final indications before 11AM CST I
may be able to get
them out today.




________________________________
From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; MICHAEL BOUTOT
<vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>; The White Wolf
<cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com;
Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>;
g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; Elise Troemel
<etphonehome333(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>;
dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Steve Lytton
<stevelytton(at)gmail.com>; mike(at)southwall.com;
stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:29:24 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SP01 SHIFT LEFT FA 01 orders due
12/01/08 (at) 2100


REMINDER:

Orders are due in 31 hours - I am missing two sets - if you
don't have
a receipt, I don't have your orders.

Now, please be aware that if you send me an email asking
"You
have mine, right?" or something along those lines, my
response
is going to be "Do you have a receipt?" And
that answer will be
your answer.

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--- On Sat, 11/22/08, MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com> wrote:If Gm really wants in would be glad to switch places as this is not much of a SLgame but a disguised Standard for most. I love SL but this ain't 1.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: DC 218 SP01 SHIFT LEFT results - FA 01 orders due 12/01/08 (at) 2100
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:49 PM
I *really* love this variant and I would almost rather play
than GM, maybe next game.

How this variant unfolds is always an interesting thing to
watch.

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From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 218 SP01 SHIFT LEFT results - FA 01 orders due 12/01/08 (at) 2100
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:49 PM
I *really* love this variant and I would almost rather play
than GM, maybe next game.

How this variant unfolds is always an interesting thing to
watch.

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