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Dc110 England EOG - roback80   (Nov 17, 2008, 2:56 pm)
Hooray it's over indeed...

I replaced the original Russia in a decent spot with a decent alliance with Felix in Austria and working issues out on the east with China and Japan. I quickly noticed the unchecked growth potential of Rudi in the Indian Ocean and tried my darndest to rally the masses. Unsuccessfully.

Felix withdrew for RL issues and the new Austria was more concerned with Dot grabbing than forming or continuing any kind of working agreement. Several attempts to draw a common line failed as Austria always wanted just one more dot...

his stab on me caused me to mess up things in the East with Japan - something i truly regret and that probably later led to China stabbing me, though Dave already cleared the air on this - hindsight.

anyhow... began to really hate Austria and quickly lost interest in anything else but outlasting him... then with him gone, I had built a new hate on for Rupert - as his obliviousness was what allowed Rudi to crack through the black/Cas bottle neck.

Was finally glad to see everyone rally to stop Holland - often question why it took him to get to 60+ before people realized the threat, but we did in fact stop him until Paolo was removed/resigned/replaced or whatever happened there... but in the end RL and an absolute, poke-my-eyes-out boredom drove me to throw it to Rudi.

He says he didn't deserve the solo... that maybe true... but truer is that none of us deserved to be part a draw.

Trout, remind me to review the rosters before jumping into any more favor replacements spots for ya!! BTW - damn fine job as GM.

Russia - Out!





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Dc110 England EOG - deathblade_penguin   (Nov 15, 2008, 6:56 pm)
"Hooray, It's over!"

I elected to play Britain in this game as I wanted a challenge diplomatcially and I did receive that. Being spread all over the globe, Britain is consistently stabbed by everyone at most stage of the game. My biggest problem and
what led to my dismal failure in this game was the constant stream of replacements.

My intiial plan was to ally with Holland, but Rudi made it fairly clear that he had other plans and solidly moved against me - defeating me in the south. My alliance with China fell apart when China was replaced. My alliance with France, fell apart when France was replaced. So I was beaten out of the south east of the map, beaten out of the south atlantic by a greedy brazil, beaten out of the USA by the USA. The Stab by Lee as France was the worst for me though. My solid alliance with the first France was replaced by a tentative alliance with Lee who then stabbed me viciously (although my rumours tell me that Felix only wanted to attack me and was driving that force there).

I ended up crawling back to the USA to get my survivial but Rupert was being his usual pain and was all about beaten France in the SC count than making me into a useful power. Sick of me, thinking for myself - Rupert laid down an ultamatium - he dislodged all my units and made me a strange offer "disband them all and you can survive" - retreat and I will eliminate you.

Then I was just pretty much sitting around, voting down the proposal that excluded me - YES it was I who would not past the 6 way proposed draw.

I didn't play this game well and became too quickly frustrated by all the replacements.




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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:33:48 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1880 - A Tune Sung In The Key Of Phat!
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- DUTCH TO WORLD: ALL YOUR CENTERS ARE BELONG TO US!


Yes, folks... You can breath that sigh of relief and wonder now. After 522 days - Guns, Germs and Steel wraps in a Dutch solo. My hearty congratulations to Rudi for blazing through this onslaught and bending the board to his will. An Imperial game - even a "short" one - is no easy feat to solo in, and I take my hat off in awe. Very well done!


And huge commendations go out to all our other players as well for playing this meat grinder out to the bitter end. Any game of this variant is, by nature, brutal. My thanks to everyone involved for their efforts. This one deserves a HUGE pat on the back. =)


The business of Fall 1880: All the end-game proposals failed once again. However Holland broke through the stale-mate lines in Russia and took matters into their own hands - with the Tsars assistance. With 70 supply centers reached, we close the book on Guns, Germs and Steel.


I'd love to see end-of-game statements from everyone on this one. There were some results that I still can't quite bring myself to believe...


But, enough with the editorializing Trout. Give the people the results... =P Fall 1880 - the final turn of Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - is attached below. Congratulations once again to Rudi and to all the players of this monster. It's been one hell of a ride. *grin*


Cheers!


Imperial Toast-Master Trout


Movement results for Fall of 1880. (1880 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Hold.

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Support F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Cochabamba (coh) Hold.
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) (*Cut*).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) (*Cut*).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Sicily (sic) Hold.
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg) Supports F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Ionian Sea
(ion).
Holland: F Angola (agl) Supports F Damaraland (dml).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) - Goodhope (goo) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Baku (bku) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) Supports A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Baku (bku)(wc) - Black Sea (bla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) Supports F Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) - Rumania (rum) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) Supports A Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Botswana (bsw) Supports F Transvaal (trn).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) - Syria (syr).
Holland: A Canton (can) - Wuhan (wuh) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Hold.
Holland: F Celebes Sea (cls) Supports F Irian Java (ija).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) Supports F South West Pacific (swp).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) Supports F Angola (agl).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) Supports F South West Pacific (swp).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) Supports A Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Supports F South China Sea (scs) - East China Sea
(ecs).
Holland: F Fuchan (fuc) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: A Georgia (geo) Supports A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Crete (cre).
Holland: F Irian Java (ija) Supports F New Guinea (ngu).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) Supports A Inner Mongolia (img).
Holland: A Kasala (ksl) Supports A Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) Supports A Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) Supports A Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - South China Sea (scs).
Holland: F Madagascar (mad) Supports F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) - Goodhope
(goo).
Holland: F Malagasy Channel (mch) - Goodhope (goo) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco).
Holland: F Mindanao (mnd) Supports F Celebes Sea (cls).
Holland: A Mongolia (mon) Supports A Inner Mongolia (img).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) Supports F Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F New South Wales (nsw) Supports F Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - East China Sea (ecs)
(*Void*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) - Perm (prm).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Hold.
Holland: F Queensland (qnl) Supports F Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Supports F Black Sea (bla) - Rumania (rum).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) - East China Sea (ecs).
Holland: F South East Trades (set) Supports F Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Tasman (tas) Supports F Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Hold.
Holland: F Transvaal (trn) Supports F Malagasy Channel (mch) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Ionian Sea
(ion).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Fuchan (fuc) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: A Yakutsk (yak) Supports A Irkutsk (irk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Supports F Kagoshima (kag).

Russia: A Warsaw (war) - Galicia (gal) (*Fails*).
Russia: A Prussia (pru) - Livonia (lvn) (*Fails*).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) - St Petersburg (stp) (*Disbanded*).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) Supports F Helgoland Bight (hel).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports A Livonia (lvn).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: F Kuril (kur) Supports F Kamchatka (kam) (*Fails*).
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos) (*Ordered to Move*).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) Hold.
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Skagerrak (ska) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm) (*Ordered to Move*).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain), A
Armenia (arm), A Aswan (asw), F Baku (bku)(wc), F Barrier Sea (brr), F
Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Botswana (bsw), A Canton (can), F
Caroline Islands (crl), F Celebes Sea (cls), A Congo (cng), F
Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Crete (cre), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F East China Sea (ecs), F Eastern
Mediterranean (eas), F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki
(eve), A Fezz (fzz), F Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo),
A Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), F Irian Java (ija), A
Irkutsk (irk), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Madagascar
(mad), F Malagasy Channel (mch), F Marshal Islands (mhl), F Mindanao
(mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New Guinea (ngu), F New South Wales (nsw),
F Okinawa (oki), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), A Perm (prm), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), A Sevastopol (sev), F Shanghai
(sha), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South East Trades
(set), F South West Pacific (swp), A Syria (syr), F Tasman (tas), A
Tonkin (tnk), F Transvaal (trn), F Tubruq (tbq), A Moscow (mos), A
Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok (vla), F Yellow
Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Prussia (pru).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norwegian Sea (nwg), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk
(okh), F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla),
F Sargasso (sar), F Skagerrak (ska), F Society Islands (sct), F South
Pacific (spa), A St Petersburg (stp), F Virgin Islands (vis), F
Westerlies (wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar (gib), Grain
Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast (ivc), Kiel
(kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv), Morocco (mrc),
Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay (prg), Paris
(par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro (rdj), Rome (rom),
Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia (ser), Sicily (sic),
Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia Islands (sgr),
Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay (uru), Valencia
(vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Crete (cre), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa
(for), Georgia (geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk
(irk), Java (jav), Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon
(luz), Madagascar (mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld),
Marshal Islands (mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South
Wales (nsw), New Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms),
Orenburg (orn), Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon
(rng), Rhodesia (rho), Sarawak (srw), Sevastopol (sev), Seychelles
(sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore (sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof),
Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum), Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin
(tnk), Transvaal (trn), Moscow (mos), Wuhan (wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 44 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 2 units.
Holland: 70 Supply centers, 64 Units: Builds 6 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 2 Supply centers, 2 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.





GAME RESULT: DUTCH 70 CENTER SOLO WIN!!


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Dc110 England EOG (dc110) roback80 Nov 17, 02:56 pm
Hooray it's over indeed...

I replaced the original Russia in a decent spot with a decent alliance with Felix in Austria and working issues out on the east with China and Japan. I quickly noticed the unchecked growth potential of Rudi in the Indian Ocean and tried my darndest to rally the masses. Unsuccessfully.

Felix withdrew for RL issues and the new Austria was more concerned with Dot grabbing than forming or continuing any kind of working agreement. Several attempts to draw a common line failed as Austria always wanted just one more dot...

his stab on me caused me to mess up things in the East with Japan - something i truly regret and that probably later led to China stabbing me, though Dave already cleared the air on this - hindsight.

anyhow... began to really hate Austria and quickly lost interest in anything else but outlasting him... then with him gone, I had built a new hate on for Rupert - as his obliviousness was what allowed Rudi to crack through the black/Cas bottle neck.

Was finally glad to see everyone rally to stop Holland - often question why it took him to get to 60+ before people realized the threat, but we did in fact stop him until Paolo was removed/resigned/replaced or whatever happened there... but in the end RL and an absolute, poke-my-eyes-out boredom drove me to throw it to Rudi.

He says he didn't deserve the solo... that maybe true... but truer is that none of us deserved to be part a draw.

Trout, remind me to review the rosters before jumping into any more favor replacements spots for ya!! BTW - damn fine job as GM.

Russia - Out!





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EGS: Original China - scaponig   (Nov 15, 2008, 3:19 pm)
Wow. I haven't done anything for this game in a while, but I've been following it, and it's hard to believe it's really over.

When this game started, I was involved in a three way discussion with Russia and Japan over our general area. Eric (Japan) wanted me to build no fleets, which would cripple me, and make it impossible for me to attack him, and he would still have the ability to attack me. So, my plan was to work with Russia right off the bat. Unfortunately, Russia stabbed me in Spring 1861. Even though he wanted to men fences, I refused to let go of my lost territories (I guess I just got in the Chinese Mindset) and continued to fight Russia, which was a huge waste of my time and resources. Then Japan Attacked, as I had feared he would. I could do nothing.
My other mistake was placing an army in ANN in Sprng 1862. I was thinking that I could influence the action, but then when it got right down to it, I didn't really want anyone else to get it. Instead of taking it as an auction, getting a SC in exchange, I just ended up making France, England, and Japan mad at me by my indecision.
Then Real Life hit, and that made it even harder to keep up with it.
Overall, I played a horrible game, and I give a lot of Props to whoever took China over and made it a viable country again.

Steve

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END GAME STATEMENT--JAPAN - MattKelly   (Nov 15, 2008, 1:23 pm)
What can I say? Actually not much having only played two turns (same orders both turns). Kudos to Rudi for his victory and my amiration to all who stuck it out to the end.

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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1880 - A... - former.trout   (Nov 15, 2008, 11:34 am)
- "THE FAT LADY SINGS" TOPS CHARTS AROUND THE WORLD- ARCTIC PENGUIN SIGHTINGS DOCUMENTED BY BRITISH SCIENTISTS IN EXILE
- USA RELOCATES CAPITOL TO RUPERTLAND
- DUTCH TO WORLD: ALL YOUR CENTERS ARE BELONG TO US!


Yes, folks... You can breath that sigh of relief and wonder now. After 522 days - Guns, Germs and Steel wraps in a Dutch solo. My hearty congratulations to Rudi for blazing through this onslaught and bending the board to his will. An Imperial game - even a "short" one - is no easy feat to solo in, and I take my hat off in awe. Very well done!


And huge commendations go out to all our other players as well for playing this meat grinder out to the bitter end. Any game of this variant is, by nature, brutal. My thanks to everyone involved for their efforts. This one deserves a HUGE pat on the back. =)


The business of Fall 1880: All the end-game proposals failed once again. However Holland broke through the stale-mate lines in Russia and took matters into their own hands - with the Tsars assistance. With 70 supply centers reached, we close the book on Guns, Germs and Steel.


I'd love to see end-of-game statements from everyone on this one. There were some results that I still can't quite bring myself to believe...


But, enough with the editorializing Trout. Give the people the results... =P Fall 1880 - the final turn of Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - is attached below. Congratulations once again to Rudi and to all the players of this monster. It's been one hell of a ride. *grin*


Cheers!


Imperial Toast-Master Trout


Movement results for Fall of 1880. (1880 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Hold.

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Support F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Cochabamba (coh) Hold.
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) (*Cut*).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) (*Cut*).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Sicily (sic) Hold.
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg) Supports F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Ionian Sea
(ion).
Holland: F Angola (agl) Supports F Damaraland (dml).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) - Goodhope (goo) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Baku (bku) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) Supports A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Baku (bku)(wc) - Black Sea (bla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) Supports F Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) - Rumania (rum) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) Supports A Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Botswana (bsw) Supports F Transvaal (trn).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) - Syria (syr).
Holland: A Canton (can) - Wuhan (wuh) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Hold.
Holland: F Celebes Sea (cls) Supports F Irian Java (ija).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) Supports F South West Pacific (swp).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) Supports F Angola (agl).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) Supports F South West Pacific (swp).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) Supports A Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Supports F South China Sea (scs) - East China Sea
(ecs).
Holland: F Fuchan (fuc) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: A Georgia (geo) Supports A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Crete (cre).
Holland: F Irian Java (ija) Supports F New Guinea (ngu).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) Supports A Inner Mongolia (img).
Holland: A Kasala (ksl) Supports A Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) Supports A Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) Supports A Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - South China Sea (scs).
Holland: F Madagascar (mad) Supports F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) - Goodhope
(goo).
Holland: F Malagasy Channel (mch) - Goodhope (goo) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco).
Holland: F Mindanao (mnd) Supports F Celebes Sea (cls).
Holland: A Mongolia (mon) Supports A Inner Mongolia (img).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) Supports F Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F New South Wales (nsw) Supports F Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - East China Sea (ecs)
(*Void*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) - Perm (prm).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Hold.
Holland: F Queensland (qnl) Supports F Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Supports F Black Sea (bla) - Rumania (rum).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) - East China Sea (ecs).
Holland: F South East Trades (set) Supports F Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Tasman (tas) Supports F Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Hold.
Holland: F Transvaal (trn) Supports F Malagasy Channel (mch) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Ionian Sea
(ion).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Fuchan (fuc) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: A Yakutsk (yak) Supports A Irkutsk (irk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Supports F Kagoshima (kag).

Russia: A Warsaw (war) - Galicia (gal) (*Fails*).
Russia: A Prussia (pru) - Livonia (lvn) (*Fails*).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) - St Petersburg (stp) (*Disbanded*).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) Supports F Helgoland Bight (hel).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports A Livonia (lvn).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: F Kuril (kur) Supports F Kamchatka (kam) (*Fails*).
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos) (*Ordered to Move*).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) Hold.
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Skagerrak (ska) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm) (*Ordered to Move*).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain), A
Armenia (arm), A Aswan (asw), F Baku (bku)(wc), F Barrier Sea (brr), F
Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Botswana (bsw), A Canton (can), F
Caroline Islands (crl), F Celebes Sea (cls), A Congo (cng), F
Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Crete (cre), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F East China Sea (ecs), F Eastern
Mediterranean (eas), F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki
(eve), A Fezz (fzz), F Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo),
A Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), F Irian Java (ija), A
Irkutsk (irk), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Madagascar
(mad), F Malagasy Channel (mch), F Marshal Islands (mhl), F Mindanao
(mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New Guinea (ngu), F New South Wales (nsw),
F Okinawa (oki), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), A Perm (prm), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), A Sevastopol (sev), F Shanghai
(sha), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South East Trades
(set), F South West Pacific (swp), A Syria (syr), F Tasman (tas), A
Tonkin (tnk), F Transvaal (trn), F Tubruq (tbq), A Moscow (mos), A
Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok (vla), F Yellow
Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Prussia (pru).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norwegian Sea (nwg), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk
(okh), F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla),
F Sargasso (sar), F Skagerrak (ska), F Society Islands (sct), F South
Pacific (spa), A St Petersburg (stp), F Virgin Islands (vis), F
Westerlies (wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar (gib), Grain
Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast (ivc), Kiel
(kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv), Morocco (mrc),
Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay (prg), Paris
(par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro (rdj), Rome (rom),
Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia (ser), Sicily (sic),
Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia Islands (sgr),
Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay (uru), Valencia
(vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Crete (cre), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa
(for), Georgia (geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk
(irk), Java (jav), Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon
(luz), Madagascar (mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld),
Marshal Islands (mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South
Wales (nsw), New Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms),
Orenburg (orn), Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon
(rng), Rhodesia (rho), Sarawak (srw), Sevastopol (sev), Seychelles
(sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore (sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof),
Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum), Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin
(tnk), Transvaal (trn), Moscow (mos), Wuhan (wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 44 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 2 units.
Holland: 70 Supply centers, 64 Units: Builds 6 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 2 Supply centers, 2 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.





GAME RESULT: DUTCH 70 CENTER SOLO WIN!!

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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1880 Ext... - former.trout   (Nov 13, 2008, 9:55 am)
Heya folks,

Once again we run into the curse of late orders. This time three of you fine folks decided to hang out and wait in the wings. We'll extend the Fall 1880 deadline to Friday, November 14th (11:59 PM GMT) as a result.

But - that enables me to put forward the end-game proposals submitted by Matt. Those were the same as the last round - in specific:

1. A Dutch Solo
2. A Six Way Dutch/Russian/Chinese/Japanese/French/USA draw
3. A DIAS (including Britain)

Please have your moves and your votes for the above in by tomorrow night. Cheers!

Trout

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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 -... - diplomat_2001   (Nov 10, 2008, 3:01 am)
China votes yes to all DIAS draw proposals.

DEW Smile

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.MsgBody-text, .MsgBody-text * { font: 10pt monospace; } .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } and Britain will vote YES for any and all end game proposals

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:25:41 -0800
From: kelly058(at)verizon.net
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard
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.ExternalClass DIV {;} Lets try and get this right guys. I am putting forward the same three end game propsals as previously submitted.

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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 -... - deathblade_penguin   (Nov 09, 2008, 9:35 pm)
and Britain will vote YES for any and all end game proposals

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:25:41 -0800
From: kelly058(at)verizon.net
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.ExternalClass DIV {;} Lets try and get this right guys. I am putting forward the same three end game propsals as previously submitted.

-Matt-



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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 -... - MattKelly   (Nov 09, 2008, 8:26 pm)
Lets try and get this right guys. I am putting forward the same three end game propsals as previously submitted.

-Matt-

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GGS 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 Map and Stuff - former.trout   (Nov 09, 2008, 8:45 am)
Heya heya,

As promised, here is the map and Realworld adjudication for the Spring 1880 turn. Fall 1880 deadline remains set for Wednesday, November 12th (11:59 PM GMT).

Cheers!

Trout


Movement results for Spring of 1880. (1880 SPR)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Hold.

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Cochabamba (coh) Hold.
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) (*Ordered to Move*).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) (*Ordered to Move*).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Sicily (sic) Hold.
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg) Convoys A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Angola (agl) Supports F Damaraland (dml).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) - Baku (bku)(wc).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Drake (dra) - Antarctic
Pacific Ocean(apa) (*Void*).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) Supports A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - South East Trades (set).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Irian Java (ija).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Supports A Georgia (geo) - Sevastopol (sev).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Cape Town (ctn) - Transvaal (trn).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine
(phi).
Holland: A Chungking (chk) - Langchow (lch).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - New Guinea (ngu).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) Supports F Angola (agl).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) Convoys A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) Supports A Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Supports F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Fuchan (fuc) - Hong Kong (hko).
Holland: A Georgia (geo) - Sevastopol (sev).
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - Madagascar (mad).
Holland: F Ionian Sea (ion) Hold.
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) Supports A Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine (phi).
Holland: A Kasala (ksl) Supports A Bokhara (bkh) - Orenburg (orn).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Omsk (oms).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) - Inner Mongolia (img).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi) - Luzon Sea (lus).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa) - Equatorial
CounterCurrent (eco).
Holland: F Mindanao (mnd) Supports F Timor (tim) - Celebes Sea (cls).
Holland: A Mongolia (mon) Supports A Langchow (lch) - Inner Mongolia (img).
Holland: F New South Wales (nsw) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) -
Coral Sea (cor) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine (phi).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) - Perm (prm).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Peking (pek) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Perth (per) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) - Luzon Sea (lus).
Holland: F Queensland (qnl) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Coral
Sea (cor).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) - Rumania (rum) (*Fails*).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Supports F Fuchan (fuc) - Hong Kong (hko).
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) Supports F Drake (dra) - Antarctic Pacific
Ocean(apa) (*Void*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Hold.
Holland: A Tabrize (tbr) - Armenia (arm).
Holland: F Tasman (tas) Supports F Drake (dra) - Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa)
(*Void*).
Holland: F Timor (tim) - Celebes Sea (cls).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: A Transvaal (trn) - Botswana (bsw).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Indian (win) - Malagasy Channel (mch).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Peking (pek) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: A Yakutsk (yak) Supports A Irkutsk (irk).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Sinkiang (snk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Supports F Kagoshima (kag).

Russia: A Warsaw (war) - Prussia (pru).
Russia: A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) - Georgia (geo) (*Disbanded*).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) - Warsaw (war).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) Supports F Helgoland Bight (hel).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports A Livonia (lvn).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: F Kuril (kur) Supports F Kamchatka (kam) (*Fails*).
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos) (*Ordered to Move*).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Norway (nwy) - Norwegian Sea (nwg).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm) (*Ordered to Move*).
USA: F Sweden (swe) - Skagerrak (ska).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain), A
Armenia (arm), A Aswan (asw), F Baku (bku)(wc), F Barrier Sea (brr), F
Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Botswana (bsw), A Cairo (cai), A
Canton (can), F Caroline Islands (crl), F Celebes Sea (cls), A Congo
(cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland (dml),
A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F Equatorial
CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F Formosa (for), F
Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Hong Kong (hko), A Inner Mongolia
(img), F Ionian Sea (ion), F Irian Java (ija), A Irkutsk (irk), A
Kasala (ksl), A Kirghiz (kir), A Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch),
F Luzon (luz), F Luzon Sea (lus), F Madagascar (mad), F Malagasy
Channel (mch), F Marshal Islands (mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia
(mon), F New Guinea (ngu), F New South Wales (nsw), F Okinawa (oki), A
Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), A Perm (prm), F Philippine (phi), F
Queensland (qnl), A Sevastopol (sev), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South East Trades
(set), F South West Pacific (swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), F Tasman (tas),
A Tonkin (tnk), F Transvaal (trn), F Tubruq (tbq), A Wuhan (wuh), A
Yakutsk (yak).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok (vla), F Yellow
Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Prussia (pru), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norwegian Sea (nwg), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk
(okh), F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla),
F Sargasso (sar), F Skagerrak (ska), F Society Islands (sct), F South
Pacific (spa), A St Petersburg (stp), F Virgin Islands (vis), F
Westerlies (wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1880 ORDERS DUE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 -... - former.trout   (Nov 08, 2008, 10:26 pm)
Hey folks,

A couple of our players had difficulty with the shortened deadline, unfortunately. I received the final set of orders this afternoon. My apologies for the late adjudication - but it's worth the wait! Russia pulls a Crazy Ivan and the Imperial forces of Holland seize the opportunity. Orange-clad troops are seen marching into Sevastopol and Perm. Meanwhile, its not all good news for Holland - the side-attack on Rumania meets a stone-wall of French resistance.


Everybody voted - nobody proposed anything. It was interesting. =P


Meanwhile, I'm caught away from my work laptop so a written adjudication will have to suffice for tonight. I will endeavour to get the map out as soon as I can tomorrow morning.


Deadline for Fall 1880 orders will be set for Wednesday, November 12th (11:59 PM GMT). Cheers!


Trout





CHINA:
A MAC HOLD OK
FRANCE:
F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre) OK
F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob) OK
F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan) OK
A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie) OK
A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre) OK
A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec) OK
F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr) OK
F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn) OK
F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Hold OK
F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny) OK
F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu) OK
F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu) OK
F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra) OK
A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) VOID (Unit Ordered To Move)
A Cochabamba (coh) hold OK
F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat) OK
F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos) OK
F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn) OK
F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) VOID (Movement Not Possible)
F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou) OK
F Sicily (sic) hold OK
A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber) OK
A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra) OK
F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec) OK
F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob) OK
F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog) OK
A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan) OK
A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa) OK
F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat) OK
A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec) OK
A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol) OK
A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie) OK
A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev) VOID (Unit Ordered To Move)
A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos) OK
A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber) OK
F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu) OK
A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie) OK
A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp) OK
F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) OK
A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp) OK
F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun) OK
A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum) OK

USA:
A Ala HOLDS OK
F Wst SUPPORTS F Kur OK
F Haw SUPPORTS F KSe OK
F Kur SUPPORTS F Kam OK
F Kam SUPPORTS A Vla OK
F Okh SUPPORTS A Vla OK
F CCu SUPPORTS F Haw OK
F EPa SUPPORTS F KSe OK
F KSe HOLDS OK
F PBa SUPPORTS F CBa OK
F SPa HOLDS OK
F CBa SUPPORTS F Dra OK
F Sct SUPPORTS F SPa OK
F NPa SUPPORTS F Wst OK
A Rla HOLDS OK
A Lim SUPPORTS A Ama OK
A Brc SUPPORTS A Ama OK
A Pra SUPPORTS A Ama OK
A Cld SUPPORTS A Pra OK
A Ama SUPPORTS A Pra OK
F Cyn SUPPORTS F NET OK
F NET HOLDS OK
F ECa SUPPORTS F Sar OK
F VIs SUPPORTS F Sar OK
F ESe SUPPORTS F NAt OK
F Sar HOLDS OK
F Che SUPPORTS F NAt OK
F NAt HOLDS OK
F NSc SUPPORTS NAt OK
F Swe - Ska OK
F Hud HOLDS OK
F Nwy - Nwg OK
F Fin (nc) SUPPORTS A StP OK
F Bal SUPPORTS F Den OK
F GoB SUPPORTS A Lvn OK
F Den SUPPORTS F Hel OK
F Hel SUPPORTS F Nth OK
F Nth SUPPORTS NAt OK
A StP SUPPORTS A Prm VOID (Unit Ordered To Move)
A Lvn SUPPORTS A Mos VOID (Unit Ordered To Move)


RUSSIA:
A Warsaw (war) - Prussia (pru) OK
A Perm (prm) - Moscow (mos) OK
A Sevastopol (sev) - Georgia (geo) [DISBANDED by GEO 2:1]
A Moscow (mos) - Warsaw (war) OK


JAPAN:
(F) Yellow Sea support (F) KAG OK
(F) EDO support USA (F) Kuril OK
(F) Sea of Japan support (A) VLA OK
(A) VLA support China (A) MAC OK
(F) SEO support (F) Yellow Sea OK
(F) KAG support (F) Yellow Sea OK
(F) POA support China (A) MAC OK
(F) FSN support (F) Yellow Sea OK


HOLLAND:
F Aegean Sea (aeg) Convoys A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof) OK
F Angola (agl) Supports F Damaraland (dml) OK
F Angora (ang)(nc) - Baku (bku)(wc) OK
F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Drake (dra) - Antarctic
Pacific Ocean(apa) VOID (NSO)
A Aswan (asw) Supports A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) OK
F Barrier Sea (brr) - South East Trades (set) OK
F Bismark Sea (bis) - Irian Java (ija) OK
F Black Sea (bla) Supports A Georgia (geo) - Sevastopol (sev) OK
A Bokhara (bkh) - Orenburg (orn) OK
A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof) [BOUNCE with SOF 1:1]
A Canton (can) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Fuchan (fuc) OK
F Cape Town (ctn) - Transvaal (trn) OK
F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Izu Trench (izu) -
Philippine (phi) OK
A Chungking (chk) - Langchow (lch) OK
A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) OK
F Constantinople (con) Supports A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof) OK
F Coral Sea (cor) - New Guinea (ngu) OK
F Damaraland (dml) Supports F Angola (agl) OK
A Dar Es Sallam (dar) - Fezz (fzz) [BOUNCE with FZZ 1:1]
F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) Convoys A Cairo (cai) - Sofia (sof) OK
F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Coral Sea (cor) OK
A Evenki (eve) Supports A Yakutsk (yak) OK
A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) [BOUNCE with TRP 1:3]
F Formosa (for) Supports F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine (phi) OK
F Fuchan (fuc) - Hong Kong (hko) OK
A Georgia (geo) - Sevastopol (sev) OK
F Goodhope (goo) - Madagascar (mad) OK
F Ionian Sea (ion) Hold OK
A Irkutsk (irk) Supports A Yakutsk (yak) OK
F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine (phi) OK
A Kasala (ksl) Supports A Bokhara (bkh) - Orenburg (orn) OK
A Kashgar (ksg) - Bokhara (bkh) OK
A Kirghiz (kir) - Krasnoyarsk (kra) OK
A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Omsk (oms) OK
A Langchow (lch) - Inner Mongolia (img) OK
F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi) - Luzon Sea (lus) OK
F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa) -
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) OK
F Mindanao (mnd) Supports F Timor (tim) - Celebes Sea (cls) OK
A Mongolia (mon) Supports A Langchow (lch) - Inner Mongolia (img) OK
F New South Wales (nsw) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent
(eco) - Coral Sea (cor) OK
F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Izu Trench (izu) - Philippine (phi) OK
A Omsk (oms) - Perm (prm) OK
A Orenburg (orn) - Georgia (geo) OK
F Peking (pek) - Shanghai (sha) OK
F Perth (per) - Barrier Sea (brr) OK
F Philippine (phi) - Luzon Sea (lus) OK
F Queensland (qnl) Supports F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) -
Coral Sea (cor) OK
F Shanghai (sha) - Fuchan (fuc) OK
A Sinkiang (snk) - Kirghiz (kir) OK
A Sofia (sof) - Rumania (rum) [BOUNCE with RUM 1:2]
F South China Sea (scs) Supports F Fuchan (fuc) - Hong Kong (hko) OK
F South West Pacific (swp) Supports F Drake (dra) - Antarctic
Pacific Ocean(apa) VOID (NSO)
F Syria (syr)(wc) Hold OK
A Tabrize (tbr) - Armenia (arm) OK
F Tasman (tas) Supports F Drake (dra) - Antarctic Pacific
Ocean(apa) VOID (NSO)
F Timor (tim) - Celebes Sea (cls) OK
A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can) OK
A Transvaal (trn) - Botswana (bsw) OK
F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Ionian Sea (ion) OK
F West Indian (win) - Malagasy Channel (mch) OK
F West Pacific (wpa) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) OK
A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Peking (pek) - Shanghai (sha) OK
A Yakutsk (yak) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) OK
A Yunnan (yun) - Sinkiang (snk) OK


NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1880 ORDERS DUE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

[Reply]

Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard (dc110) MattKelly Nov 09, 08:26 pm
Lets try and get this right guys. I am putting forward the same three end game propsals as previously submitted.

-Matt-
Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard (dc110) deathblade_penguin Nov 09, 09:35 pm
and Britain will vote YES for any and all end game proposals

Stephen Lytton
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:25:41 -0800
From: kelly058(at)verizon.net
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard
To: former.trout(at)gmail.com; Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

.ExternalClass DIV {;} Lets try and get this right guys. I am putting forward the same three end game propsals as previously submitted.

-Matt-



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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard (dc110) diplomat_2001 Nov 10, 03:01 am
China votes yes to all DIAS draw proposals.

DEW Smile

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
To: "Matthew Kelly" <kelly058(at)verizon.net>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, dc110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: "Dave Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Gerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Hofmann" <mrh(at)panix.com>, ruffhaus8(at)aol.com, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cargojet.com>, rbristol(at)cogeco.ca, "Rudi van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Alesbury" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr, "ee morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "ted morley" <ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 7:33:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard

.MsgBody-text, .MsgBody-text * { font: 10pt monospace; } .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } and Britain will vote YES for any and all end game proposals

Stephen Lytton
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:25:41 -0800
From: kelly058(at)verizon.net
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Spring 1880 - The Red Guard
To: former.trout(at)gmail.com; Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

.ExternalClass DIV {;} Lets try and get this right guys. I am putting forward the same three end game propsals as previously submitted.

-Matt-




Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au It's simple!
GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! - diplomat_2001   (Nov 06, 2008, 11:23 am)
Naw, lets keep it going...go for the record.

It'll be like a fraternity thing...
people will go "So, what position/years did YOU play in GGS 1264?"

Hell, Japan alone has 4 different rulers now.

Dave - China

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com, dc110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: "Dave Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Gerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Matthew Kelly" <kelly058(at)verizon.net>, "Mike Hofmann" <mrh(at)panix.com>, ruffhaus8(at)aol.com, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cargojet.com>, rbristol(at)cogeco.ca, "Rudi van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Alesbury" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr, "ee morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "ted morley" <ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:07:05 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!

.MsgBody-text, .MsgBody-text * { font: 10pt monospace; } .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Britain is willing to vote for an End Game Proposal.

You bring it, I'll vote YES on it.

Come on let's end this game?


Stephen Lytton
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout

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[Reply]

GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! - deathblade_penguin   (Nov 06, 2008, 3:07 am)
Britain is willing to vote for an End Game Proposal.

You bring it, I'll vote YES on it.

Come on let's end this game?


Stephen Lytton
Sponsor me for MOvember
http://au.movember.com/mospace/1701236






Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout
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[Reply]

GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! - diplomat_2001   (Nov 05, 2008, 7:03 am)
Hey!
China voted early and often...how the heck did none of those not pass!!!???

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com, dc110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: "Dave Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Gerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Matthew Kelly" <kelly058(at)verizon.net>, "Mike Hofmann" <mrh(at)panix.com>, ruffhaus8(at)aol.com, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cargojet.com>, rbristol(at)cogeco.ca, "Rudi van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Alesbury" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr, "ee morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "ted morley" <ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:49:15 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!

.MsgBody-text, .MsgBody-text * { font: 10pt monospace; } .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Britain says 'FFS'

Stephen Lytton
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout

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[Reply]

GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! - deathblade_penguin   (Nov 05, 2008, 6:49 am)
Britain says 'FFS'

Stephen Lytton
Sponsor me for MOvember
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout
Multiple prizes and the ultimate dream beach house! Take a summer road trip with Windows Live Hotmail.

[Reply]

GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! - former.trout   (Nov 04, 2008, 10:59 pm)
Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout

[Reply]

GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! (dc110) deathblade_penguin Nov 05, 06:49 am
Britain says 'FFS'

Stephen Lytton
Sponsor me for MOvember
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout
Multiple prizes and the ultimate dream beach house! Take a summer road trip with Windows Live Hotmail.
GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! (dc110) diplomat_2001 Nov 05, 07:03 am
Hey!
China voted early and often...how the heck did none of those not pass!!!???

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com, dc110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: "Dave Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Gerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Matthew Kelly" <kelly058(at)verizon.net>, "Mike Hofmann" <mrh(at)panix.com>, ruffhaus8(at)aol.com, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cargojet.com>, rbristol(at)cogeco.ca, "Rudi van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Alesbury" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr, "ee morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "ted morley" <ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:49:15 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!

.MsgBody-text, .MsgBody-text * { font: 10pt monospace; } .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Britain says 'FFS'

Stephen Lytton
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout

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GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! (dc110) deathblade_penguin Nov 06, 03:07 am
Britain is willing to vote for an End Game Proposal.

You bring it, I'll vote YES on it.

Come on let's end this game?


Stephen Lytton
Sponsor me for MOvember
http://au.movember.com/mospace/1701236






Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout
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GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!! (dc110) diplomat_2001 Nov 06, 11:23 am
Naw, lets keep it going...go for the record.

It'll be like a fraternity thing...
people will go "So, what position/years did YOU play in GGS 1264?"

Hell, Japan alone has 4 different rulers now.

Dave - China

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com, dc110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: "Dave Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Gerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Matthew Kelly" <kelly058(at)verizon.net>, "Mike Hofmann" <mrh(at)panix.com>, ruffhaus8(at)aol.com, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cargojet.com>, rbristol(at)cogeco.ca, "Rudi van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Alesbury" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr, "ee morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "ted morley" <ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:07:05 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!

.MsgBody-text, .MsgBody-text * { font: 10pt monospace; } .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Britain is willing to vote for an End Game Proposal.

You bring it, I'll vote YES on it.

Come on let's end this game?


Stephen Lytton
Sponsor me for MOvember
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:09 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: GGS 1264 / DC110 - Votes, Votes, Votes!!
CC: dipknight(at)comcast.net; sgttodd(at)mainecav.org; savwa4(at)comcast.net; leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk; kelly058(at)verizon.net; mrh(at)panix.com; ruffhaus8(at)aol.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; rBristol(at)cargojet.com; rbristol(at)cogeco.ca; rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl; writetorupert(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr; ee_morley(at)hotmail.com; Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov

Heya gang,

With the verdict clear in the US election, guess its time to announce the results of our end-game votes in Guns, Germs and Steel... Its a simple announcement - all three proposals met with one or more NO vote.


So! We battle onwards. Please consider this to be your 43 hour deadline reminder for Spring 1880 orders. Deadline remains set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout

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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Winter 1879 -... - former.trout   (Nov 02, 2008, 9:09 pm)
- TEA ROOMS IN SAPPORO FIND NEW CUSTOMERS AS JAPANESE SOLDIERS RETURN HOME
- DUTCH SAILORS LEARN WHAT'S AUSTRALIAN FOR BEER IN PERTH
- CHINESE MINGLE THEIR WAY OUT OF MONGOLIA

Yes folks, the game continues... and so do your GMs bad bad pun headlines...

Most builds are waived this Winter turn, the exception being the Dutch in Perth and Transvaal. Meanwhile the Chinese disband in Inner Mongolia and the Japanese in Sapporo. Thanks to all players for getting in touch with me and confirming their intention to waive orders...

So, we battle onwards. I'll try to set quicker deadlines as per player request - however I do recommend preliminary orders from all players to help out in this regard. The votes for the various EOG proposals will be due tomorrow night at 11:59 PM GMT. If necessary, the deadline for Spring 1880 will be set for Thursday, November 6th (11:59 PM GMT).

Cheers everyone!

Trout

Adjustment orders for Winter of 1879. (1879 WIN)

China: Remove A Inner Mongolia (img).

France: Build waived.
France: Build waived.
France: Build waived.

Holland: Build F Perth (per).
Holland: Build A Transvaal (trn).
Holland: Build waived.
Holland: Build waived.
Holland: Build waived.

Japan: Remove F Sapporo (sap).

USA: Build waived.
USA: Build waived.
USA: Build waived.
USA: Build waived.
USA: Build waived.
USA: Build waived.

Unit locations:

China: A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), F
Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl),
A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow
(lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands (mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A
Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F Okinawa (oki), A Omsk
(oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F Perth (per), F Philippine
(phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang (snk), A Sofia
(sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific (swp), F Syria
(syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor (tim), A Tonkin
(tnk), A Transvaal (trn), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok (vla), F Yellow
Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).


NEXT DEADLINE: EOG PROPOSAL VOTES DUE MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD (11:59 PM GMT)!!
SPRING 1880 ORDERS DUE THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

[Reply]

Player list dc110 - former.trout   (Nov 02, 2008, 12:33 pm)
Hi folks,


Please welcome Matthew Kelly who has been good enough to lose his mind and come join us in this slaughterhouse of a game. He has graciously stepped in as Japan and we are once again on track. =)


Player list with emails is attached below. The Winter 1879 adjustments will be out this evening. I am still waiting to hear from one player, but the turn will be adjudicated regardless.


And a reminder - the 3 end-game proposal votes are due tomorrow night (Monday) at 11:59 PM GMT. The proposals on the table are:


1. A Dutch Solo Victory
2. A Six-Way Draw (US/France/Holland/Russia/China/Japan).
3. A DIAS proposal (Seven-way draw including Britain.)


Game on, everyone!


Trout


Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 ACTIVE PLAYERS:



ID : deathblade_penguin
Ctry : Britain 0
Name : Stephen Lytton
Email : stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])


ID : diplomat_2001
Ctry : China 1
Name : David Watson
Email : dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])



ID : leewarrentaylor
Ctry : France 1
Name : Lee Taylor
Email : leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])


ID : rvhal
Ctry : Holland 0
Name : Rudi van Hal
Email : rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])


ID : MattKelly
Ctry : Japan 3
Name : Matthew Kelly
Email : kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email])


ID : roback80
Ctry : Russia 1
Name : Rob Ackerley
Email : rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])


ID : rupertalesbury
Ctry : United States 0
Name : Rupert Alesbury
Email : writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])



ELIMIANATED PLAYERS:

ID : offdisc
Ctry : Austria 1
Name : Mike Hoffman
Email : mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])
ELIMINATED

ID : ee_morley266
Ctry : Brazil 0
Name : Ted Morley
Email : ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]ted.morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])
ELIMINATED

ID : savwa4
Ctry : Confederate 1
Name : Jim Atkins
Email : savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])
ELIMINATED

ID : ruffhaus8
Ctry : Mexico 0
Name : Randolph Ruff
Email : ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])
ELIMINATED

ID : shanefgtoledo
Ctry : Prussia 1
Name : Shane Whatsit
Email : shanefgtoledo(at)yahoo.com ([email]shanefgtoledo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
ELIMINATED

ID : sgttodd
Ctry : Turkey 1
Name : Gerald Todd
Email : sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])
ELIMINATED

[Reply]

GGS 1264 / DC110 - We Actually Want Quicker Deadli... - former.trout   (Nov 01, 2008, 9:03 pm)
Guys,

All that talk about faster deadlines and yet here we are at the Winter 1879 deadline, and I'm short 3 out of 5 sets... Granted some of you might be wanting to waive those builds but I'd still ask to hear that from ya. =)


I'll wait till the morning before waiving builds and/or auto-disbanding. Those that I'm short for will be notified in a seperate email...


Trout

[Reply]

Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - T... - paolo_sforza   (Oct 31, 2008, 8:07 am)
Hi Trout,

Thanks for tightening up this wording. All understood. Still 4 YEARS and not turns, but hey...

...you don't always get what you want...

Cheers,

Paolo.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In clarification.
The pertinent part of my HRs is Section IX Paragraph (2) - which reads in part:

If, after a period of 4 game years, no Supply Centers have changed ownership, the GM reserves the right, after a warning is given, to declare a draw including all survivors...


The remainder of that paragraph is void in this instance, as I will enforce a DIAS if 4 game years elapse without centers changing hands.


Concerning the variant rules - unless any player has objection we will allow the optional rule of ending the game on Spring 1901. If this occurs, the game result will also be a DIAS.


Trout




On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:ec5fc8001d]
Hi Trout,

Just so we all know where we are then I formally ask the question.

This game can finish as a solo on 70 SCs - we all know that. No problem. It can also end as an n-way DRAW if such a proposal is unanimously passed. Again, no problem. All clear as crystal. However, as we could be heading towards game end, sooner rather than later, then exactly what criteria need to met and what duration do these criteria need to in place for you to call a DIAS? Is there an objective set of criteria for the DIAS that we play towards? There is an optional rule (is it in force?) that says '...the game will also end on Spring 1901 should no player possess the required number of supply centers'. The variant optional rule doesn't say what the result will be at game end. Just that the game will end. Is this also a DIAS?

Cheers and thanks,

Paolo.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:52 PM

For the record.
Any players that do not wish to participate in this game are not held hostage to it. If you wish to abandon this game, please just let me know and I will find a replacement to finish the game off.
It will be labelled a game abandon, however, on the DC club stats. There is nothing I can do about that.
If any player has issues with my House Rules or my GMing style, I will be very happy to entertain your personal grievances in private.
Cheers!
Trout

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:ec5fc8001d]
Hi guys,

I think I put in this 6-way for last turn, but just in case it is someone else's 6-way proposal, I'd better vote. YES, to the 6-way (China, France, Holland, Japan, Russia, USA) DRAW.

Everyone knows the stalemate line, so as long as it is maintained I shall be putting in this proposal every turn and voting down any other proposition. My family is very long lived so I should see the end. Assuming the House Rules are followed then this game should be over in 4 (L-O-N-G) game year's time when the GM calls a DIAS. I have to mention this now because I don't want this monster to go on a moment longer than necessary. If ANYONE has problems (I absolutely don't) with Steve sharing in this DIAS - so effectively making this a 7-way DRAW then they'd better call for his elimination NOW as this will be an SC change and so the 4-game year clock won't start ticking until after this elimination. If Rupert eliminates Steve in Spring and Rudi keeps voting down the 6-way then the game should end just after Spring 1883 - I make that 3 months (late January) based on how slowly this monstrosity has lurched forward so far (GAWD SAVE US!)

The House Rules say (God forbid we ever actually follow the House Rules, of course) that the movement turns could be a minimum of 2 days duration. If Trout would reduce to this duration AND/OR remove his prohibition on perpetual orders then we could get this nonsense over and done with in a couple of weeks (still far too long in my book).

Like I said, I think, once before. This is game is about as exciting as watching anti-climb paint dry. This is supposed to be a 'short' game as it only requires 70 SCs for a SOLO. Even that fudge can't make this enjoyable. Who the hell invents this crappy huge games, riddled with stalemate lines? Rhetorical question - I DON'T want to know anything more about Imperial2,

Just thought! If packrat is right and REing is the same as FWDing - I might be lucky enough to be replaced! Cor, there IS light at the end of the tunnel.

Cheers to all,

Paolo.





--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

From: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>
Cc: "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Paolo Sforza" <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:55 PM

YES vote from Russia.

________________________________
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Cat23 1200 List <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>; dc110 <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>
Cc: David E Watson <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>; Jerry Todd <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>; Jim Atkins <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>; Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>; Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Randolph <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>; Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; Rob Bristol <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>; Rob Bristol <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>; Rudi Van Hal <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>; Rupert Armstrong <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Suzanne Castagne <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>; Ted Morley <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Ted Morley <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1879 ADJUSTMENTS DUE SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST (11:59 PM GMT)!!






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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - T... - paolo_sforza   (Oct 31, 2008, 8:07 am)
Hi Trout,

Thanks for tightening up this wording. All understood. Still 4 YEARS and not turns, but hey...

...you don't always get what you want...

Cheers,

Paolo.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In clarification.
The pertinent part of my HRs is Section IX Paragraph (2) - which reads in part:

If, after a period of 4 game years, no Supply Centers have changed ownership, the GM reserves the right, after a warning is given, to declare a draw including all survivors...


The remainder of that paragraph is void in this instance, as I will enforce a DIAS if 4 game years elapse without centers changing hands.


Concerning the variant rules - unless any player has objection we will allow the optional rule of ending the game on Spring 1901. If this occurs, the game result will also be a DIAS.


Trout




On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
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Hi Trout,

Just so we all know where we are then I formally ask the question.

This game can finish as a solo on 70 SCs - we all know that. No problem. It can also end as an n-way DRAW if such a proposal is unanimously passed. Again, no problem. All clear as crystal. However, as we could be heading towards game end, sooner rather than later, then exactly what criteria need to met and what duration do these criteria need to in place for you to call a DIAS? Is there an objective set of criteria for the DIAS that we play towards? There is an optional rule (is it in force?) that says '...the game will also end on Spring 1901 should no player possess the required number of supply centers'. The variant optional rule doesn't say what the result will be at game end. Just that the game will end. Is this also a DIAS?

Cheers and thanks,

Paolo.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
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Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:52 PM

For the record.
Any players that do not wish to participate in this game are not held hostage to it. If you wish to abandon this game, please just let me know and I will find a replacement to finish the game off.
It will be labelled a game abandon, however, on the DC club stats. There is nothing I can do about that.
If any player has issues with my House Rules or my GMing style, I will be very happy to entertain your personal grievances in private.
Cheers!
Trout

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1161a1712c]
Hi guys,

I think I put in this 6-way for last turn, but just in case it is someone else's 6-way proposal, I'd better vote. YES, to the 6-way (China, France, Holland, Japan, Russia, USA) DRAW.

Everyone knows the stalemate line, so as long as it is maintained I shall be putting in this proposal every turn and voting down any other proposition. My family is very long lived so I should see the end. Assuming the House Rules are followed then this game should be over in 4 (L-O-N-G) game year's time when the GM calls a DIAS. I have to mention this now because I don't want this monster to go on a moment longer than necessary. If ANYONE has problems (I absolutely don't) with Steve sharing in this DIAS - so effectively making this a 7-way DRAW then they'd better call for his elimination NOW as this will be an SC change and so the 4-game year clock won't start ticking until after this elimination. If Rupert eliminates Steve in Spring and Rudi keeps voting down the 6-way then the game should end just after Spring 1883 - I make that 3 months (late January) based on how slowly this monstrosity has lurched forward so far (GAWD SAVE US!)

The House Rules say (God forbid we ever actually follow the House Rules, of course) that the movement turns could be a minimum of 2 days duration. If Trout would reduce to this duration AND/OR remove his prohibition on perpetual orders then we could get this nonsense over and done with in a couple of weeks (still far too long in my book).

Like I said, I think, once before. This is game is about as exciting as watching anti-climb paint dry. This is supposed to be a 'short' game as it only requires 70 SCs for a SOLO. Even that fudge can't make this enjoyable. Who the hell invents this crappy huge games, riddled with stalemate lines? Rhetorical question - I DON'T want to know anything more about Imperial2,

Just thought! If packrat is right and REing is the same as FWDing - I might be lucky enough to be replaced! Cor, there IS light at the end of the tunnel.

Cheers to all,

Paolo.





--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

From: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
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Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:55 PM

YES vote from Russia.

________________________________
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1879 ADJUSTMENTS DUE SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST (11:59 PM GMT)!!






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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - T... - paolo_sforza   (Oct 31, 2008, 8:07 am)
Hi Trout,

Thanks for tightening up this wording. All understood. Still 4 YEARS and not turns, but hey...

...you don't always get what you want...

Cheers,

Paolo.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In clarification.
The pertinent part of my HRs is Section IX Paragraph (2) - which reads in part:

If, after a period of 4 game years, no Supply Centers have changed ownership, the GM reserves the right, after a warning is given, to declare a draw including all survivors...


The remainder of that paragraph is void in this instance, as I will enforce a DIAS if 4 game years elapse without centers changing hands.


Concerning the variant rules - unless any player has objection we will allow the optional rule of ending the game on Spring 1901. If this occurs, the game result will also be a DIAS.


Trout




On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:dc1fd09eff]
Hi Trout,

Just so we all know where we are then I formally ask the question.

This game can finish as a solo on 70 SCs - we all know that. No problem. It can also end as an n-way DRAW if such a proposal is unanimously passed. Again, no problem. All clear as crystal. However, as we could be heading towards game end, sooner rather than later, then exactly what criteria need to met and what duration do these criteria need to in place for you to call a DIAS? Is there an objective set of criteria for the DIAS that we play towards? There is an optional rule (is it in force?) that says '...the game will also end on Spring 1901 should no player possess the required number of supply centers'. The variant optional rule doesn't say what the result will be at game end. Just that the game will end. Is this also a DIAS?

Cheers and thanks,

Paolo.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:52 PM

For the record.
Any players that do not wish to participate in this game are not held hostage to it. If you wish to abandon this game, please just let me know and I will find a replacement to finish the game off.
It will be labelled a game abandon, however, on the DC club stats. There is nothing I can do about that.
If any player has issues with my House Rules or my GMing style, I will be very happy to entertain your personal grievances in private.
Cheers!
Trout

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:dc1fd09eff]
Hi guys,

I think I put in this 6-way for last turn, but just in case it is someone else's 6-way proposal, I'd better vote. YES, to the 6-way (China, France, Holland, Japan, Russia, USA) DRAW.

Everyone knows the stalemate line, so as long as it is maintained I shall be putting in this proposal every turn and voting down any other proposition. My family is very long lived so I should see the end. Assuming the House Rules are followed then this game should be over in 4 (L-O-N-G) game year's time when the GM calls a DIAS. I have to mention this now because I don't want this monster to go on a moment longer than necessary. If ANYONE has problems (I absolutely don't) with Steve sharing in this DIAS - so effectively making this a 7-way DRAW then they'd better call for his elimination NOW as this will be an SC change and so the 4-game year clock won't start ticking until after this elimination. If Rupert eliminates Steve in Spring and Rudi keeps voting down the 6-way then the game should end just after Spring 1883 - I make that 3 months (late January) based on how slowly this monstrosity has lurched forward so far (GAWD SAVE US!)

The House Rules say (God forbid we ever actually follow the House Rules, of course) that the movement turns could be a minimum of 2 days duration. If Trout would reduce to this duration AND/OR remove his prohibition on perpetual orders then we could get this nonsense over and done with in a couple of weeks (still far too long in my book).

Like I said, I think, once before. This is game is about as exciting as watching anti-climb paint dry. This is supposed to be a 'short' game as it only requires 70 SCs for a SOLO. Even that fudge can't make this enjoyable. Who the hell invents this crappy huge games, riddled with stalemate lines? Rhetorical question - I DON'T want to know anything more about Imperial2,

Just thought! If packrat is right and REing is the same as FWDing - I might be lucky enough to be replaced! Cor, there IS light at the end of the tunnel.

Cheers to all,

Paolo.





--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

From: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>
Cc: "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Paolo Sforza" <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:55 PM

YES vote from Russia.

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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1879 ADJUSTMENTS DUE SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST (11:59 PM GMT)!!






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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - T... - paolo_sforza   (Oct 31, 2008, 8:07 am)
Hi Trout,

Thanks for tightening up this wording. All understood. Still 4 YEARS and not turns, but hey...

...you don't always get what you want...

Cheers,

Paolo.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In clarification.
The pertinent part of my HRs is Section IX Paragraph (2) - which reads in part:

If, after a period of 4 game years, no Supply Centers have changed ownership, the GM reserves the right, after a warning is given, to declare a draw including all survivors...


The remainder of that paragraph is void in this instance, as I will enforce a DIAS if 4 game years elapse without centers changing hands.


Concerning the variant rules - unless any player has objection we will allow the optional rule of ending the game on Spring 1901. If this occurs, the game result will also be a DIAS.


Trout




On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:4b0c87b663]
Hi Trout,

Just so we all know where we are then I formally ask the question.

This game can finish as a solo on 70 SCs - we all know that. No problem. It can also end as an n-way DRAW if such a proposal is unanimously passed. Again, no problem. All clear as crystal. However, as we could be heading towards game end, sooner rather than later, then exactly what criteria need to met and what duration do these criteria need to in place for you to call a DIAS? Is there an objective set of criteria for the DIAS that we play towards? There is an optional rule (is it in force?) that says '...the game will also end on Spring 1901 should no player possess the required number of supply centers'. The variant optional rule doesn't say what the result will be at game end. Just that the game will end. Is this also a DIAS?

Cheers and thanks,

Paolo.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:52 PM

For the record.
Any players that do not wish to participate in this game are not held hostage to it. If you wish to abandon this game, please just let me know and I will find a replacement to finish the game off.
It will be labelled a game abandon, however, on the DC club stats. There is nothing I can do about that.
If any player has issues with my House Rules or my GMing style, I will be very happy to entertain your personal grievances in private.
Cheers!
Trout

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:4b0c87b663]
Hi guys,

I think I put in this 6-way for last turn, but just in case it is someone else's 6-way proposal, I'd better vote. YES, to the 6-way (China, France, Holland, Japan, Russia, USA) DRAW.

Everyone knows the stalemate line, so as long as it is maintained I shall be putting in this proposal every turn and voting down any other proposition. My family is very long lived so I should see the end. Assuming the House Rules are followed then this game should be over in 4 (L-O-N-G) game year's time when the GM calls a DIAS. I have to mention this now because I don't want this monster to go on a moment longer than necessary. If ANYONE has problems (I absolutely don't) with Steve sharing in this DIAS - so effectively making this a 7-way DRAW then they'd better call for his elimination NOW as this will be an SC change and so the 4-game year clock won't start ticking until after this elimination. If Rupert eliminates Steve in Spring and Rudi keeps voting down the 6-way then the game should end just after Spring 1883 - I make that 3 months (late January) based on how slowly this monstrosity has lurched forward so far (GAWD SAVE US!)

The House Rules say (God forbid we ever actually follow the House Rules, of course) that the movement turns could be a minimum of 2 days duration. If Trout would reduce to this duration AND/OR remove his prohibition on perpetual orders then we could get this nonsense over and done with in a couple of weeks (still far too long in my book).

Like I said, I think, once before. This is game is about as exciting as watching anti-climb paint dry. This is supposed to be a 'short' game as it only requires 70 SCs for a SOLO. Even that fudge can't make this enjoyable. Who the hell invents this crappy huge games, riddled with stalemate lines? Rhetorical question - I DON'T want to know anything more about Imperial2,

Just thought! If packrat is right and REing is the same as FWDing - I might be lucky enough to be replaced! Cor, there IS light at the end of the tunnel.

Cheers to all,

Paolo.





--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

From: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>
Cc: "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Paolo Sforza" <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:55 PM

YES vote from Russia.

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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


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Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - T... - paolo_sforza   (Oct 31, 2008, 8:07 am)
Hi Trout,

Thanks for tightening up this wording. All understood. Still 4 YEARS and not turns, but hey...

...you don't always get what you want...

Cheers,

Paolo.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In clarification.
The pertinent part of my HRs is Section IX Paragraph (2) - which reads in part:

If, after a period of 4 game years, no Supply Centers have changed ownership, the GM reserves the right, after a warning is given, to declare a draw including all survivors...


The remainder of that paragraph is void in this instance, as I will enforce a DIAS if 4 game years elapse without centers changing hands.


Concerning the variant rules - unless any player has objection we will allow the optional rule of ending the game on Spring 1901. If this occurs, the game result will also be a DIAS.


Trout




On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9bffabc326]
Hi Trout,

Just so we all know where we are then I formally ask the question.

This game can finish as a solo on 70 SCs - we all know that. No problem. It can also end as an n-way DRAW if such a proposal is unanimously passed. Again, no problem. All clear as crystal. However, as we could be heading towards game end, sooner rather than later, then exactly what criteria need to met and what duration do these criteria need to in place for you to call a DIAS? Is there an objective set of criteria for the DIAS that we play towards? There is an optional rule (is it in force?) that says '...the game will also end on Spring 1901 should no player possess the required number of supply centers'. The variant optional rule doesn't say what the result will be at game end. Just that the game will end. Is this also a DIAS?

Cheers and thanks,

Paolo.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>, "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "David E Watson" <dipknight(at)comcast.net ([email]dipknight(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Jerry Todd" <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org ([email]sgttodd(at)mainecav.org[/email])>, "Jim Atkins" <savwa4(at)comcast.net ([email]savwa4(at)comcast.net[/email])>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>, "Mike Hoffman" <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])>, "Randolph" <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com ([email]ruffhaus8(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rBristol(at)cargojet.com ([email]rBristol(at)cargojet.com[/email])>, "Rob Bristol" <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca ([email]rbristol(at)cogeco.ca[/email])>, "Rudi Van Hal" <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl ([email]rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl[/email])>, "Rupert Armstrong" <writetorupert(at)gmail.com ([email]writetorupert(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Suzanne Castagne" <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr ([email]sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com ([email]ee_morley(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Ted Morley" <Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov ([email]Ted.Morley(at)sen.ca.gov[/email])>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:52 PM

For the record.
Any players that do not wish to participate in this game are not held hostage to it. If you wish to abandon this game, please just let me know and I will find a replacement to finish the game off.
It will be labelled a game abandon, however, on the DC club stats. There is nothing I can do about that.
If any player has issues with my House Rules or my GMing style, I will be very happy to entertain your personal grievances in private.
Cheers!
Trout

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9bffabc326]
Hi guys,

I think I put in this 6-way for last turn, but just in case it is someone else's 6-way proposal, I'd better vote. YES, to the 6-way (China, France, Holland, Japan, Russia, USA) DRAW.

Everyone knows the stalemate line, so as long as it is maintained I shall be putting in this proposal every turn and voting down any other proposition. My family is very long lived so I should see the end. Assuming the House Rules are followed then this game should be over in 4 (L-O-N-G) game year's time when the GM calls a DIAS. I have to mention this now because I don't want this monster to go on a moment longer than necessary. If ANYONE has problems (I absolutely don't) with Steve sharing in this DIAS - so effectively making this a 7-way DRAW then they'd better call for his elimination NOW as this will be an SC change and so the 4-game year clock won't start ticking until after this elimination. If Rupert eliminates Steve in Spring and Rudi keeps voting down the 6-way then the game should end just after Spring 1883 - I make that 3 months (late January) based on how slowly this monstrosity has lurched forward so far (GAWD SAVE US!)

The House Rules say (God forbid we ever actually follow the House Rules, of course) that the movement turns could be a minimum of 2 days duration. If Trout would reduce to this duration AND/OR remove his prohibition on perpetual orders then we could get this nonsense over and done with in a couple of weeks (still far too long in my book).

Like I said, I think, once before. This is game is about as exciting as watching anti-climb paint dry. This is supposed to be a 'short' game as it only requires 70 SCs for a SOLO. Even that fudge can't make this enjoyable. Who the hell invents this crappy huge games, riddled with stalemate lines? Rhetorical question - I DON'T want to know anything more about Imperial2,

Just thought! If packrat is right and REing is the same as FWDing - I might be lucky enough to be replaced! Cor, there IS light at the end of the tunnel.

Cheers to all,

Paolo.





--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

From: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Cat23 1200 List" <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com ([email]Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com[/email])>, "dc110" <DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>
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Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:55 PM

YES vote from Russia.

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From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1879 ADJUSTMENTS DUE SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST (11:59 PM GMT)!!






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[Reply]

Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - T... - paolo_sforza   (Oct 31, 2008, 8:07 am)
Hi Trout,

Thanks for tightening up this wording. All understood. Still 4 YEARS and not turns, but hey...

...you don't always get what you want...

Cheers,

Paolo.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com
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Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In clarification.
The pertinent part of my HRs is Section IX Paragraph (2) - which reads in part:

If, after a period of 4 game years, no Supply Centers have changed ownership, the GM reserves the right, after a warning is given, to declare a draw including all survivors...


The remainder of that paragraph is void in this instance, as I will enforce a DIAS if 4 game years elapse without centers changing hands.


Concerning the variant rules - unless any player has objection we will allow the optional rule of ending the game on Spring 1901. If this occurs, the game result will also be a DIAS.


Trout




On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b44dfd9576]
Hi Trout,

Just so we all know where we are then I formally ask the question.

This game can finish as a solo on 70 SCs - we all know that. No problem. It can also end as an n-way DRAW if such a proposal is unanimously passed. Again, no problem. All clear as crystal. However, as we could be heading towards game end, sooner rather than later, then exactly what criteria need to met and what duration do these criteria need to in place for you to call a DIAS? Is there an objective set of criteria for the DIAS that we play towards? There is an optional rule (is it in force?) that says '...the game will also end on Spring 1901 should no player possess the required number of supply centers'. The variant optional rule doesn't say what the result will be at game end. Just that the game will end. Is this also a DIAS?

Cheers and thanks,

Paolo.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
To: sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])
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Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:52 PM

For the record.
Any players that do not wish to participate in this game are not held hostage to it. If you wish to abandon this game, please just let me know and I will find a replacement to finish the game off.
It will be labelled a game abandon, however, on the DC club stats. There is nothing I can do about that.
If any player has issues with my House Rules or my GMing style, I will be very happy to entertain your personal grievances in private.
Cheers!
Trout

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Paolo Sforza <sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com ([email]sforzapaolo(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b44dfd9576]
Hi guys,

I think I put in this 6-way for last turn, but just in case it is someone else's 6-way proposal, I'd better vote. YES, to the 6-way (China, France, Holland, Japan, Russia, USA) DRAW.

Everyone knows the stalemate line, so as long as it is maintained I shall be putting in this proposal every turn and voting down any other proposition. My family is very long lived so I should see the end. Assuming the House Rules are followed then this game should be over in 4 (L-O-N-G) game year's time when the GM calls a DIAS. I have to mention this now because I don't want this monster to go on a moment longer than necessary. If ANYONE has problems (I absolutely don't) with Steve sharing in this DIAS - so effectively making this a 7-way DRAW then they'd better call for his elimination NOW as this will be an SC change and so the 4-game year clock won't start ticking until after this elimination. If Rupert eliminates Steve in Spring and Rudi keeps voting down the 6-way then the game should end just after Spring 1883 - I make that 3 months (late January) based on how slowly this monstrosity has lurched forward so far (GAWD SAVE US!)

The House Rules say (God forbid we ever actually follow the House Rules, of course) that the movement turns could be a minimum of 2 days duration. If Trout would reduce to this duration AND/OR remove his prohibition on perpetual orders then we could get this nonsense over and done with in a couple of weeks (still far too long in my book).

Like I said, I think, once before. This is game is about as exciting as watching anti-climb paint dry. This is supposed to be a 'short' game as it only requires 70 SCs for a SOLO. Even that fudge can't make this enjoyable. Who the hell invents this crappy huge games, riddled with stalemate lines? Rhetorical question - I DON'T want to know anything more about Imperial2,

Just thought! If packrat is right and REing is the same as FWDing - I might be lucky enough to be replaced! Cor, there IS light at the end of the tunnel.

Cheers to all,

Paolo.





--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

From: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>
Subject: Re: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...
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Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:55 PM

YES vote from Russia.

________________________________
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


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