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Unknown - m_don_j   (Jan 30, 2009, 3:55 pm)
Look, another Swedish player! We're taking over! Very Happy

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DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement - former.trout   (Jan 22, 2009, 2:26 pm)
One comment from the GM on this:

The Dipwiki Variant page does identify that the winning conditions are 15 supply centers. That will have to be modified. I have several games of this variant under my belt now and with the strong stalemate lines on the board this is the first time I've ever seen a player solo this variant - or even come close to 15 centers.


Apologies about the confusion, Fredrik. From the start of the game it was determined that winning conditions would be half + one (i.e. 12.)


Trout

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:12 PM, C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Fredrik -

You played well with regard to playing me off against Finland. It's not what I hoped would happen, but I can't blame you. The choice made sense and obviously benefitted you.

The mistake about 15 SC versus 12 is kind of disturbing. For heaven's sake, if you ever have a question like that in the future make sure you ask the GM or a friendly opponent -- like me. Smile You can be sure if you'd said something to Lee or me about protecting yourself "before Finland gets to 15 SC" we would have straightened you out right away.

FWIW, I thought you did a good job with negotiations and held your own in a tough crowd. Outside of the big mistake regarding the game end, I thought you did well tactically and strategically, too. Looking back at my comments from yesterday, they were a little harsh. Sorry about that. I hope your overall experience from this game was positive and I would be happy to share a board with you again in the future.

Chris




From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])>
To: dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:55:59 PM
Subject: DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement



Friends, Diplomers, Stabbers,

This game has been a learning experience for me in playing Diplomacy online. Even though this was my second game on Diplomacy Corps, the first game I played never made it very far.

The question was raised several times to me - why do you continue playing - the game is already lost. The main reason for me continuing in the end was that I was learning some of the tactical maneuvers involved in the game. Finland, as he stated in his EOG statement had several opportunities to stab me before he became the board leader, but he did not, so I stayed with him until the end. I enjoyed the tactical aspects of the game, although the diplomacy left something to be desired. I guess that I will have to learn.

Why didn't I protect my centers better in the end? I kept on looking at the rules for Baltic, and the rules stated that you need 15 centers for the win, so I didn't figure that Mike was close to winning. I have a recollection of having discussed whether to win at 15 or at 12, but I never could find a mail about it. That's not an excuse, that just a reason for why I didn't think that Mike would stab me this turn. I think that give a unit or two more, I would have move more against Mike. In retrospect, I should have made Mike move back his fleet in the North Baltic as soon as his troops were deployed in Russia/Poland.

Chris - you are right that I played you against Finland. I never really committed to the attack, mostly because I always had Poland breathing down my back, while Finland never really made an offensive move against me (except for when he took Aland even though I told him not to).

Regarding the situation in the west: Kattegat was always the key here, and had Lee kept to the DMZ agreement we had, I'm fairly certain that we could have worked to the east instead of keeping many troops in the west. I had troubles getting enough units to up in arms at the western front.

Lee - you kept telling me that I threw the game to Mike. However, I gave you several opportunities to stop him, essentially giving you the keys to stop him from gaining centers a couple of times. You however kept on bringing all your troops to bear on me. Since you did seem hell-bent on stopping me, I just tried to see if I could open the lock. I am happy that in the end I got Malmo, although the point was moot at that time.

Regarding the map issue that came up in the mid-game. In retrospect I would say that the game would probably play better if Bolmen(wc) is not connected to Vattern. However, the statements regarding "Fleets retreating across land" does not apply to the map in question, since there are way more stranger moves available:
F Goteborg->Siljan->Stockholm->SGoB would be valid moves, although they are very strange.
A fleet in Saimaa could also move to both Kuopio and GoF which is just as strange. I think that the map would be better off if the water-ways were more defined.

Greetings from a wintry Frillesås, Sweden (on the border between Goteborg and Bolmen, on the coast)

/Fredrik







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DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement - camorse22   (Jan 22, 2009, 2:13 pm)
Fredrik -

You played well with regard to playing me off against Finland. It's not what I hoped would happen, but I can't blame you. The choice made sense and obviously benefitted you.

The mistake about 15 SC versus 12 is kind of disturbing. For heaven's sake, if you ever have a question like that in the future make sure you ask the GM or a friendly opponent -- like me. Smile You can be sure if you'd said something to Lee or me about protecting yourself "before Finland gets to 15 SC" we would have straightened you out right away.

FWIW, I thought you did a good job with negotiations and held your own in a tough crowd. Outside of the big mistake regarding the game end, I thought you did well tactically and strategically, too. Looking back at my comments from yesterday, they were a little harsh. Sorry about that. I hope your overall experience from this game was positive and I would be happy to share a board with you again in the future.

Chris


From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se>
To: dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:55:59 PM
Subject: DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement

Friends, Diplomers, Stabbers,

This game has been a learning experience for me in playing Diplomacy online. Even though this was my second game on Diplomacy Corps, the first game I played never made it very far.

The question was raised several times to me - why do you continue playing - the game is already lost. The main reason for me continuing in the end was that I was learning some of the tactical maneuvers involved in the game. Finland, as he stated in his EOG statement had several opportunities to stab me before he became the board leader, but he did not, so I stayed with him until the end. I enjoyed the tactical aspects of the game, although the diplomacy left something to be desired. I guess that I will have to learn.

Why didn't I protect my centers better in the end? I kept on looking at the rules for Baltic, and the rules stated that you need 15 centers for the win, so I didn't figure that Mike was close to winning. I have a recollection of having discussed whether to win at 15 or at 12, but I never could find a mail about it. That's not an excuse, that just a reason for why I didn't think that Mike would stab me this turn. I think that give a unit or two more, I would have move more against Mike. In retrospect, I should have made Mike move back his fleet in the North Baltic as soon as his troops were deployed in Russia/Poland.

Chris - you are right that I played you against Finland. I never really committed to the attack, mostly because I always had Poland breathing down my back, while Finland never really made an offensive move against me (except for when he took Aland even though I told him not to).

Regarding the situation in the west: Kattegat was always the key here, and had Lee kept to the DMZ agreement we had, I'm fairly certain that we could have worked to the east instead of keeping many troops in the west. I had troubles getting enough units to up in arms at the western front.

Lee - you kept telling me that I threw the game to Mike. However, I gave you several opportunities to stop him, essentially giving you the keys to stop him from gaining centers a couple of times. You however kept on bringing all your troops to bear on me. Since you did seem hell-bent on stopping me, I just tried to see if I could open the lock. I am happy that in the end I got Malmo, although the point was moot at that time.

Regarding the map issue that came up in the mid-game. In retrospect I would say that the game would probably play better if Bolmen(wc) is not connected to Vattern. However, the statements regarding "Fleets retreating across land" does not apply to the map in question, since there are way more stranger moves available:
F Goteborg->Siljan->Stockholm->SGoB would be valid moves, although they are very strange.
A fleet in Saimaa could also move to both Kuopio and GoF which is just as strange. I think that the map would be better off if the water-ways were more defined.

Greetings from a wintry Frillesås, Sweden (on the border between Goteborg and Bolmen, on the coast)

/Fredrik

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DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement - fredrik at familjenblo...   (Jan 22, 2009, 1:56 pm)
Friends, Diplomers, Stabbers,

This game has been a learning experience for me in playing Diplomacy online. Even though this was my second game on Diplomacy Corps, the first game I played never made it very far.

The question was raised several times to me - why do you continue playing - the game is already lost. The main reason for me continuing in the end was that I was learning some of the tactical maneuvers involved in the game. Finland, as he stated in his EOG statement had several opportunities to stab me before he became the board leader, but he did not, so I stayed with him until the end. I enjoyed the tactical aspects of the game, although the diplomacy left something to be desired. I guess that I will have to learn.

Why didn't I protect my centers better in the end? I kept on looking at the rules for Baltic, and the rules stated that you need 15 centers for the win, so I didn't figure that Mike was close to winning. I have a recollection of having discussed whether to win at 15 or at 12, but I never could find a mail about it. That's not an excuse, that just a reason for why I didn't think that Mike would stab me this turn. I think that give a unit or two more, I would have move more against Mike. In retrospect, I should have made Mike move back his fleet in the North Baltic as soon as his troops were deployed in Russia/Poland.

Chris - you are right that I played you against Finland. I never really committed to the attack, mostly because I always had Poland breathing down my back, while Finland never really made an offensive move against me (except for when he took Aland even though I told him not to).

Regarding the situation in the west: Kattegat was always the key here, and had Lee kept to the DMZ agreement we had, I'm fairly certain that we could have worked to the east instead of keeping many troops in the west. I had troubles getting enough units to up in arms at the western front.

Lee - you kept telling me that I threw the game to Mike. However, I gave you several opportunities to stop him, essentially giving you the keys to stop him from gaining centers a couple of times. You however kept on bringing all your troops to bear on me. Since you did seem hell-bent on stopping me, I just tried to see if I could open the lock. I am happy that in the end I got Malmo, although the point was moot at that time.

Regarding the map issue that came up in the mid-game. In retrospect I would say that the game would probably play better if Bolmen(wc) is not connected to Vattern. However, the statements regarding "Fleets retreating across land" does not apply to the map in question, since there are way more stranger moves available:
F Goteborg->Siljan->Stockholm->SGoB would be valid moves, although they are very strange.
A fleet in Saimaa could also move to both Kuopio and GoF which is just as strange. I think that the map would be better off if the water-ways were more defined.

Greetings from a wintry Frillesås, Sweden (on the border between Goteborg and Bolmen, on the coast)

/Fredrik

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DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement (dc191) camorse22 Jan 22, 02:13 pm
Fredrik -

You played well with regard to playing me off against Finland. It's not what I hoped would happen, but I can't blame you. The choice made sense and obviously benefitted you.

The mistake about 15 SC versus 12 is kind of disturbing. For heaven's sake, if you ever have a question like that in the future make sure you ask the GM or a friendly opponent -- like me. Smile You can be sure if you'd said something to Lee or me about protecting yourself "before Finland gets to 15 SC" we would have straightened you out right away.

FWIW, I thought you did a good job with negotiations and held your own in a tough crowd. Outside of the big mistake regarding the game end, I thought you did well tactically and strategically, too. Looking back at my comments from yesterday, they were a little harsh. Sorry about that. I hope your overall experience from this game was positive and I would be happy to share a board with you again in the future.

Chris


From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se>
To: dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:55:59 PM
Subject: DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement

Friends, Diplomers, Stabbers,

This game has been a learning experience for me in playing Diplomacy online. Even though this was my second game on Diplomacy Corps, the first game I played never made it very far.

The question was raised several times to me - why do you continue playing - the game is already lost. The main reason for me continuing in the end was that I was learning some of the tactical maneuvers involved in the game. Finland, as he stated in his EOG statement had several opportunities to stab me before he became the board leader, but he did not, so I stayed with him until the end. I enjoyed the tactical aspects of the game, although the diplomacy left something to be desired. I guess that I will have to learn.

Why didn't I protect my centers better in the end? I kept on looking at the rules for Baltic, and the rules stated that you need 15 centers for the win, so I didn't figure that Mike was close to winning. I have a recollection of having discussed whether to win at 15 or at 12, but I never could find a mail about it. That's not an excuse, that just a reason for why I didn't think that Mike would stab me this turn. I think that give a unit or two more, I would have move more against Mike. In retrospect, I should have made Mike move back his fleet in the North Baltic as soon as his troops were deployed in Russia/Poland.

Chris - you are right that I played you against Finland. I never really committed to the attack, mostly because I always had Poland breathing down my back, while Finland never really made an offensive move against me (except for when he took Aland even though I told him not to).

Regarding the situation in the west: Kattegat was always the key here, and had Lee kept to the DMZ agreement we had, I'm fairly certain that we could have worked to the east instead of keeping many troops in the west. I had troubles getting enough units to up in arms at the western front.

Lee - you kept telling me that I threw the game to Mike. However, I gave you several opportunities to stop him, essentially giving you the keys to stop him from gaining centers a couple of times. You however kept on bringing all your troops to bear on me. Since you did seem hell-bent on stopping me, I just tried to see if I could open the lock. I am happy that in the end I got Malmo, although the point was moot at that time.

Regarding the map issue that came up in the mid-game. In retrospect I would say that the game would probably play better if Bolmen(wc) is not connected to Vattern. However, the statements regarding "Fleets retreating across land" does not apply to the map in question, since there are way more stranger moves available:
F Goteborg->Siljan->Stockholm->SGoB would be valid moves, although they are very strange.
A fleet in Saimaa could also move to both Kuopio and GoF which is just as strange. I think that the map would be better off if the water-ways were more defined.

Greetings from a wintry Frillesås, Sweden (on the border between Goteborg and Bolmen, on the coast)

/Fredrik
DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement (dc191) former.trout Jan 22, 02:26 pm
One comment from the GM on this:

The Dipwiki Variant page does identify that the winning conditions are 15 supply centers. That will have to be modified. I have several games of this variant under my belt now and with the strong stalemate lines on the board this is the first time I've ever seen a player solo this variant - or even come close to 15 centers.


Apologies about the confusion, Fredrik. From the start of the game it was determined that winning conditions would be half + one (i.e. 12.)


Trout

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:12 PM, C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Fredrik -

You played well with regard to playing me off against Finland. It's not what I hoped would happen, but I can't blame you. The choice made sense and obviously benefitted you.

The mistake about 15 SC versus 12 is kind of disturbing. For heaven's sake, if you ever have a question like that in the future make sure you ask the GM or a friendly opponent -- like me. Smile You can be sure if you'd said something to Lee or me about protecting yourself "before Finland gets to 15 SC" we would have straightened you out right away.

FWIW, I thought you did a good job with negotiations and held your own in a tough crowd. Outside of the big mistake regarding the game end, I thought you did well tactically and strategically, too. Looking back at my comments from yesterday, they were a little harsh. Sorry about that. I hope your overall experience from this game was positive and I would be happy to share a board with you again in the future.

Chris




From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])>
To: dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:55:59 PM
Subject: DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement



Friends, Diplomers, Stabbers,

This game has been a learning experience for me in playing Diplomacy online. Even though this was my second game on Diplomacy Corps, the first game I played never made it very far.

The question was raised several times to me - why do you continue playing - the game is already lost. The main reason for me continuing in the end was that I was learning some of the tactical maneuvers involved in the game. Finland, as he stated in his EOG statement had several opportunities to stab me before he became the board leader, but he did not, so I stayed with him until the end. I enjoyed the tactical aspects of the game, although the diplomacy left something to be desired. I guess that I will have to learn.

Why didn't I protect my centers better in the end? I kept on looking at the rules for Baltic, and the rules stated that you need 15 centers for the win, so I didn't figure that Mike was close to winning. I have a recollection of having discussed whether to win at 15 or at 12, but I never could find a mail about it. That's not an excuse, that just a reason for why I didn't think that Mike would stab me this turn. I think that give a unit or two more, I would have move more against Mike. In retrospect, I should have made Mike move back his fleet in the North Baltic as soon as his troops were deployed in Russia/Poland.

Chris - you are right that I played you against Finland. I never really committed to the attack, mostly because I always had Poland breathing down my back, while Finland never really made an offensive move against me (except for when he took Aland even though I told him not to).

Regarding the situation in the west: Kattegat was always the key here, and had Lee kept to the DMZ agreement we had, I'm fairly certain that we could have worked to the east instead of keeping many troops in the west. I had troubles getting enough units to up in arms at the western front.

Lee - you kept telling me that I threw the game to Mike. However, I gave you several opportunities to stop him, essentially giving you the keys to stop him from gaining centers a couple of times. You however kept on bringing all your troops to bear on me. Since you did seem hell-bent on stopping me, I just tried to see if I could open the lock. I am happy that in the end I got Malmo, although the point was moot at that time.

Regarding the map issue that came up in the mid-game. In retrospect I would say that the game would probably play better if Bolmen(wc) is not connected to Vattern. However, the statements regarding "Fleets retreating across land" does not apply to the map in question, since there are way more stranger moves available:
F Goteborg->Siljan->Stockholm->SGoB would be valid moves, although they are very strange.
A fleet in Saimaa could also move to both Kuopio and GoF which is just as strange. I think that the map would be better off if the water-ways were more defined.

Greetings from a wintry Frillesås, Sweden (on the border between Goteborg and Bolmen, on the coast)

/Fredrik







Unknown (dc191) m_don_j Jan 30, 03:55 pm
Look, another Swedish player! We're taking over! Very Happy
dc191 Finland EGS - camorse22   (Jan 21, 2009, 12:09 pm)
A pretty fair response. In reply to a couple small things...

1. By "hostile" I meant that in that game I found your reaction to the "stab" (I took a neutral SC that you think I promised you -- I still maintain I didn't promise) completely out of proportion to the level of the crime. Having played with you again, I now think it more likely that you sometimes ratchet up the intensity of your language as another negotiating tactic.

2. I remember using the "Mike's the one we have to watch" ploy on Fredrik and Lee, but not to your face. Could you have heard it from them, maybe? Anyway, that really was just a tactic on my part to get them to side with me. My choice to go after Finland was, as I said, based purely on my tactical analysis. If you had been in Poland I would have tried the same plan with you as my partner.

3. Regarding the end of the game, of course you took the solo. The question is what was Fredrik playing for? The absolute best result he could get was a draw, and he could have had the draw many years earlier? How did he let you convince him to keep playing when it only served Finland's interests and not Sweden's? Regardless of the wisdom of the Polish strategy (which is Lee's to remark on) it was a completely obvious the result would be (probably) a Finnish solo or (maybe) a draw if you decided not to stab. Since the draw was offered many game year's previously, why would Sweden keep playing?

The last few years felt like a mother cat (that's you, Mike) teaching her kitten (Sweden) how to torture small prey.


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: Fredrik Blom <blom.fredrik(at)gmail.com>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:35:33 PM
Subject: dc191 Finland EGS


Hi all,
Finland's perspective here.

When I heard Trout was going to run this variant, I was one of the first to jump in. I've seen this one around for some time, and loved the waterways and tactical play that it affords. The key to a 4-player game tho is you need 4 that are really going to diplome hard and openly to make it interesting, since it's such a small base of players to work with. In this game, that broke down...

Chris said, "I got the better of him in that game, and he was pretty hostile about it". I don't know where this came from... I enjoyed our CotA game, in which yeah you did get the better of me, but I was not hostile about it, at least no more than for any other stab. And besides, I try to take it as a challenge to work with someone that's stabbed me in the past. What really happened, which Chris did admit about 4 turns into the game, is that he'd pegged me as the player to beat, and he'd intended to attack me from the get go, irrelevant of what negotiations had transpired. This was astonishing news, cuz the player that I really tried to work with and wanted to team up with the most, was never even seriously considering working with me! And then you complain in your EGS about the lack of creativity in the game, but I think a lot of that lack of creativity came from your own preconditions you brought about attacking me.

Other than that tho, the recount below is pretty accurate. I spent the early part of the game discussing with Chris how we considered each other to be the favorite in the game, and that we should team up and dominate the board, but something Chris was saying just wasn't sounding quite right. Maybe it's how he'd argue and argue about a point, and then he'd give in, and just say ok, or whatever, but I guessed right on probly 3 or 4 occasions that he was about to stab me, and I ordered the perfect defense. Then we'd rinse, and repeat. This was the sum of the early game! It wasn't very interesting, and I didn't really have the chance to consider a move against Sweden (like Chris wanted) cuz I was always busy countering his offensives. Maybe that's what tipped off your intentions Chris, was that you wanted me to go at Poland so hard, yet you weren't willing to give me any space. It was basically "ok I know I stabbed you, but now go hit Poland and I'll stop". Yeah right.

So anyways, most of the game was a slog between Chris and myself, and I was somewhat powerless to change the course to anything more productive. In fact, I am still unsure just how this game went from Chris being in Helsingfors and on the attack, to me pushing him clear back to the corner, when Lee never even stabbed him! All I can attribute it to, is that I got a TON of lucky guesses against Chris, and I'm sure he'd agree w that. Almost every move where there was some 50/50 gamble, I got it right, and before I knew it, Chris was beaten back.

On the other side of the map was Fredrik, and he was the wildcard in the game, for not having known any of Chris, Lee, or myself from past acquaintances. Fortunately for me he got in a war with Poland early, and I avoided a couple of his centers when I could have stabbed him, and that was enough to form a Sweden-Finland alliance. The other two players were basically attacking us, then in the next breath asking us to attack each other, which was obviously not going to happen. Then for the 2nd half of the game, it got easier (to answer your question, Chris) to stay together, since Poland and Russia had abandoned the game. Russia didn't write me a single mail for the latter half, and all Poland would write was about how he was going to try to throw the game and how awful Fredrik was playing. Well I have to say if that's your attitude toward any player, then it's no surprise they don't work with you!

I most enjoyed the tactical play with Fredrik of trying to figure out how to claim Malmo, KAT, SBA, etc, and that part was a lot of fun, and I'm glad Malmo did fall on the final turn. We had the advantage in position, controlling the center of the board, and we just leveraged that, advancing slowly. This is where I think Lee and Chris caved in, for instead of doing some sort of controlled retreat, they chose to hand me center after center, a sure path to a loss. I guess they absolutely did not want to see a Fin-Swe draw, but I'd have to ask - why? At least then you don't outright hand someone a win, and if you do stick it out, then there is a chance once you're down to 2 or 3 centers, that the other powers will eventually go to war and lock up, with your remaining centers creating a balance and preventing a win. That didn't happen, Lee just diverted all his forces to the west, abandoning the solid stalemate line he had in Europe. I have to think if Lee had maybe returned Malmo to its former owner willingly, Fredrik may have been more open to building some troops in the north, or if nothing else, he would have had a couple extra that could have prevented such a move by me. By Poland refusing to give up Malmo, Fredrik basically had to keep on fighting in that arena, putting his forces way out of the action.

Yeah Lee's premonition was right, I did raise a point about players in another game passing up a clear and unstoppable win, and so I couldn't pass up the chance to put the game to rest... So I did. I mean that's the goal of the game, it's right there in the book, to try to get the majority of the centers. So I don't feel bad about it, and I suppose Fredrik would agree it's the thing to do. I don't think Fredrik was wrong to stay allied with me for so long, since he had little alternative. He could work with the players that were berating him all game, but that would have provided little enjoyment to anyone but Chris and Lee... and working with players who have lost interest is never any fun. As for a 2-way draw, it could have happened, if things had developed more balanced, or if Fredrik had pushed for me to vacate NBA, or if Lee had conceded Malmo sooner, but once Lee threw his cards into the kill-Sweden-at-all-costs boat, it was pretty much over. Perhaps the fact that Lee was willing to do that, suggests Fredrik was right to not switch sides?

Anyways it was a fun game, frustrating at times, but overall a great tactical map. I would recommend it to others to try, but you have to enter it w/o a 2-on-2 alliance mindset, and keep your options open and fluid. Trout's storylines were a blast, I loved reading about Christmas Turkey Trout, Through the Looking Glass Trout, and all his other personae, and particularly following the antics of our friends Watson and Holmes and how their stories followed the results of the game were hilarious. I looked forward to every adjudication both to see how Chris would try to stab me this time, and how Trout would tie that into the story. Smile

-mike
Finland

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dc191 Finland EGS - FuzzyLogic   (Jan 21, 2009, 11:36 am)
Hi all,
Finland's perspective here.

When I heard Trout was going to run this variant, I was one of the first to jump in. I've seen this one around for some time, and loved the waterways and tactical play that it affords. The key to a 4-player game tho is you need 4 that are really going to diplome hard and openly to make it interesting, since it's such a small base of players to work with. In this game, that broke down...

Chris said, "I got the better of him in that game, and he was pretty hostile about it". I don't know where this came from... I enjoyed our CotA game, in which yeah you did get the better of me, but I was not hostile about it, at least no more than for any other stab. And besides, I try to take it as a challenge to work with someone that's stabbed me in the past. What really happened, which Chris did admit about 4 turns into the game, is that he'd pegged me as the player to beat, and he'd intended to attack me from the get go, irrelevant of what negotiations had transpired. This was astonishing news, cuz the player that I really tried to work with and wanted to team up with the most, was never even seriously considering working with me! And then you complain in your EGS about the lack of creativity in the game, but I think a lot of that lack of creativity came from your own preconditions you brought about attacking me.

Other than that tho, the recount below is pretty accurate. I spent the early part of the game discussing with Chris how we considered each other to be the favorite in the game, and that we should team up and dominate the board, but something Chris was saying just wasn't sounding quite right. Maybe it's how he'd argue and argue about a point, and then he'd give in, and just say ok, or whatever, but I guessed right on probly 3 or 4 occasions that he was about to stab me, and I ordered the perfect defense. Then we'd rinse, and repeat. This was the sum of the early game! It wasn't very interesting, and I didn't really have the chance to consider a move against Sweden (like Chris wanted) cuz I was always busy countering his offensives. Maybe that's what tipped off your intentions Chris, was that you wanted me to go at Poland so hard, yet you weren't willing to give me any space. It was basically "ok I know I stabbed you, but now go hit Poland and I'll stop". Yeah right.

So anyways, most of the game was a slog between Chris and myself, and I was somewhat powerless to change the course to anything more productive. In fact, I am still unsure just how this game went from Chris being in Helsingfors and on the attack, to me pushing him clear back to the corner, when Lee never even stabbed him! All I can attribute it to, is that I got a TON of lucky guesses against Chris, and I'm sure he'd agree w that. Almost every move where there was some 50/50 gamble, I got it right, and before I knew it, Chris was beaten back.

On the other side of the map was Fredrik, and he was the wildcard in the game, for not having known any of Chris, Lee, or myself from past acquaintances. Fortunately for me he got in a war with Poland early, and I avoided a couple of his centers when I could have stabbed him, and that was enough to form a Sweden-Finland alliance. The other two players were basically attacking us, then in the next breath asking us to attack each other, which was obviously not going to happen. Then for the 2nd half of the game, it got easier (to answer your question, Chris) to stay together, since Poland and Russia had abandoned the game. Russia didn't write me a single mail for the latter half, and all Poland would write was about how he was going to try to throw the game and how awful Fredrik was playing. Well I have to say if that's your attitude toward any player, then it's no surprise they don't work with you!

I most enjoyed the tactical play with Fredrik of trying to figure out how to claim Malmo, KAT, SBA, etc, and that part was a lot of fun, and I'm glad Malmo did fall on the final turn. We had the advantage in position, controlling the center of the board, and we just leveraged that, advancing slowly. This is where I think Lee and Chris caved in, for instead of doing some sort of controlled retreat, they chose to hand me center after center, a sure path to a loss. I guess they absolutely did not want to see a Fin-Swe draw, but I'd have to ask - why? At least then you don't outright hand someone a win, and if you do stick it out, then there is a chance once you're down to 2 or 3 centers, that the other powers will eventually go to war and lock up, with your remaining centers creating a balance and preventing a win. That didn't happen, Lee just diverted all his forces to the west, abandoning the solid stalemate line he had in Europe. I have to think if Lee had maybe returned Malmo to its former owner willingly, Fredrik may have been more open to building some troops in the north, or if nothing else, he would have had a couple extra that could have prevented such a move by me. By Poland refusing to give up Malmo, Fredrik basically had to keep on fighting in that arena, putting his forces way out of the action.

Yeah Lee's premonition was right, I did raise a point about players in another game passing up a clear and unstoppable win, and so I couldn't pass up the chance to put the game to rest... So I did. I mean that's the goal of the game, it's right there in the book, to try to get the majority of the centers. So I don't feel bad about it, and I suppose Fredrik would agree it's the thing to do. I don't think Fredrik was wrong to stay allied with me for so long, since he had little alternative. He could work with the players that were berating him all game, but that would have provided little enjoyment to anyone but Chris and Lee... and working with players who have lost interest is never any fun. As for a 2-way draw, it could have happened, if things had developed more balanced, or if Fredrik had pushed for me to vacate NBA, or if Lee had conceded Malmo sooner, but once Lee threw his cards into the kill-Sweden-at-all-costs boat, it was pretty much over. Perhaps the fact that Lee was willing to do that, suggests Fredrik was right to not switch sides?

Anyways it was a fun game, frustrating at times, but overall a great tactical map. I would recommend it to others to try, but you have to enter it w/o a 2-on-2 alliance mindset, and keep your options open and fluid. Trout's storylines were a blast, I loved reading about Christmas Turkey Trout, Through the Looking Glass Trout, and all his other personae, and particularly following the antics of our friends Watson and Holmes and how their stories followed the results of the game were hilarious. I looked forward to every adjudication both to see how Chris would try to stab me this time, and how Trout would tie that into the story. Smile

-mike
Finland

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dc191 Finland EGS (dc191) camorse22 Jan 21, 12:09 pm
A pretty fair response. In reply to a couple small things...

1. By "hostile" I meant that in that game I found your reaction to the "stab" (I took a neutral SC that you think I promised you -- I still maintain I didn't promise) completely out of proportion to the level of the crime. Having played with you again, I now think it more likely that you sometimes ratchet up the intensity of your language as another negotiating tactic.

2. I remember using the "Mike's the one we have to watch" ploy on Fredrik and Lee, but not to your face. Could you have heard it from them, maybe? Anyway, that really was just a tactic on my part to get them to side with me. My choice to go after Finland was, as I said, based purely on my tactical analysis. If you had been in Poland I would have tried the same plan with you as my partner.

3. Regarding the end of the game, of course you took the solo. The question is what was Fredrik playing for? The absolute best result he could get was a draw, and he could have had the draw many years earlier? How did he let you convince him to keep playing when it only served Finland's interests and not Sweden's? Regardless of the wisdom of the Polish strategy (which is Lee's to remark on) it was a completely obvious the result would be (probably) a Finnish solo or (maybe) a draw if you decided not to stab. Since the draw was offered many game year's previously, why would Sweden keep playing?

The last few years felt like a mother cat (that's you, Mike) teaching her kitten (Sweden) how to torture small prey.


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: Fredrik Blom <blom.fredrik(at)gmail.com>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:35:33 PM
Subject: dc191 Finland EGS


Hi all,
Finland's perspective here.

When I heard Trout was going to run this variant, I was one of the first to jump in. I've seen this one around for some time, and loved the waterways and tactical play that it affords. The key to a 4-player game tho is you need 4 that are really going to diplome hard and openly to make it interesting, since it's such a small base of players to work with. In this game, that broke down...

Chris said, "I got the better of him in that game, and he was pretty hostile about it". I don't know where this came from... I enjoyed our CotA game, in which yeah you did get the better of me, but I was not hostile about it, at least no more than for any other stab. And besides, I try to take it as a challenge to work with someone that's stabbed me in the past. What really happened, which Chris did admit about 4 turns into the game, is that he'd pegged me as the player to beat, and he'd intended to attack me from the get go, irrelevant of what negotiations had transpired. This was astonishing news, cuz the player that I really tried to work with and wanted to team up with the most, was never even seriously considering working with me! And then you complain in your EGS about the lack of creativity in the game, but I think a lot of that lack of creativity came from your own preconditions you brought about attacking me.

Other than that tho, the recount below is pretty accurate. I spent the early part of the game discussing with Chris how we considered each other to be the favorite in the game, and that we should team up and dominate the board, but something Chris was saying just wasn't sounding quite right. Maybe it's how he'd argue and argue about a point, and then he'd give in, and just say ok, or whatever, but I guessed right on probly 3 or 4 occasions that he was about to stab me, and I ordered the perfect defense. Then we'd rinse, and repeat. This was the sum of the early game! It wasn't very interesting, and I didn't really have the chance to consider a move against Sweden (like Chris wanted) cuz I was always busy countering his offensives. Maybe that's what tipped off your intentions Chris, was that you wanted me to go at Poland so hard, yet you weren't willing to give me any space. It was basically "ok I know I stabbed you, but now go hit Poland and I'll stop". Yeah right.

So anyways, most of the game was a slog between Chris and myself, and I was somewhat powerless to change the course to anything more productive. In fact, I am still unsure just how this game went from Chris being in Helsingfors and on the attack, to me pushing him clear back to the corner, when Lee never even stabbed him! All I can attribute it to, is that I got a TON of lucky guesses against Chris, and I'm sure he'd agree w that. Almost every move where there was some 50/50 gamble, I got it right, and before I knew it, Chris was beaten back.

On the other side of the map was Fredrik, and he was the wildcard in the game, for not having known any of Chris, Lee, or myself from past acquaintances. Fortunately for me he got in a war with Poland early, and I avoided a couple of his centers when I could have stabbed him, and that was enough to form a Sweden-Finland alliance. The other two players were basically attacking us, then in the next breath asking us to attack each other, which was obviously not going to happen. Then for the 2nd half of the game, it got easier (to answer your question, Chris) to stay together, since Poland and Russia had abandoned the game. Russia didn't write me a single mail for the latter half, and all Poland would write was about how he was going to try to throw the game and how awful Fredrik was playing. Well I have to say if that's your attitude toward any player, then it's no surprise they don't work with you!

I most enjoyed the tactical play with Fredrik of trying to figure out how to claim Malmo, KAT, SBA, etc, and that part was a lot of fun, and I'm glad Malmo did fall on the final turn. We had the advantage in position, controlling the center of the board, and we just leveraged that, advancing slowly. This is where I think Lee and Chris caved in, for instead of doing some sort of controlled retreat, they chose to hand me center after center, a sure path to a loss. I guess they absolutely did not want to see a Fin-Swe draw, but I'd have to ask - why? At least then you don't outright hand someone a win, and if you do stick it out, then there is a chance once you're down to 2 or 3 centers, that the other powers will eventually go to war and lock up, with your remaining centers creating a balance and preventing a win. That didn't happen, Lee just diverted all his forces to the west, abandoning the solid stalemate line he had in Europe. I have to think if Lee had maybe returned Malmo to its former owner willingly, Fredrik may have been more open to building some troops in the north, or if nothing else, he would have had a couple extra that could have prevented such a move by me. By Poland refusing to give up Malmo, Fredrik basically had to keep on fighting in that arena, putting his forces way out of the action.

Yeah Lee's premonition was right, I did raise a point about players in another game passing up a clear and unstoppable win, and so I couldn't pass up the chance to put the game to rest... So I did. I mean that's the goal of the game, it's right there in the book, to try to get the majority of the centers. So I don't feel bad about it, and I suppose Fredrik would agree it's the thing to do. I don't think Fredrik was wrong to stay allied with me for so long, since he had little alternative. He could work with the players that were berating him all game, but that would have provided little enjoyment to anyone but Chris and Lee... and working with players who have lost interest is never any fun. As for a 2-way draw, it could have happened, if things had developed more balanced, or if Fredrik had pushed for me to vacate NBA, or if Lee had conceded Malmo sooner, but once Lee threw his cards into the kill-Sweden-at-all-costs boat, it was pretty much over. Perhaps the fact that Lee was willing to do that, suggests Fredrik was right to not switch sides?

Anyways it was a fun game, frustrating at times, but overall a great tactical map. I would recommend it to others to try, but you have to enter it w/o a 2-on-2 alliance mindset, and keep your options open and fluid. Trout's storylines were a blast, I loved reading about Christmas Turkey Trout, Through the Looking Glass Trout, and all his other personae, and particularly following the antics of our friends Watson and Holmes and how their stories followed the results of the game were hilarious. I looked forward to every adjudication both to see how Chris would try to stab me this time, and how Trout would tie that into the story. Smile

-mike
Finland
DC191 Study In Baltic - RUSSIAN EOG Statement - camorse22   (Jan 21, 2009, 8:30 am)
Gentlemen -

This will be the shortest and easiest EOG I've ever written.

First, many thanks to Trout for a fantastic job. I've never played in one of your games before but I will certainly look for them in the future. Your humor and creativity were a blessing in a game that didn't have very much of either during the play. Well done.

I admit I wasn't really excited about the game when I saw it posted. I'm normally a sucker for a pretty map, and this one did have some interesting possibilities with all those water spaces, but I felt that having four players would doom it quickly to a two-against-two fight that would slog on forever with no one willing to risk being the first to stab. (As it turns out I was wrong about that in the early going, but exactly right after the first -- what, four or five years?) After watching the game languish in the Open Games for a few weeks I signed up. I had a break in my schedule and was hopeful that even if the game locked up as I predicted, we'd quickly reach a stalemate.

I asked for Finland. I got Russia.

I decided that the best way to make the game interesting was to form a two-man team to blitz the other side. Skip the typical snagging of the nearby neutrals and the "feeling out" negotiations, and instead go straight for the home centers of the opponents with the idea of back-filling neutrals later.

Looking purely at the map, I planned an opening blitz for Russia as partner to Finland, and another as partner to Poland. My analysis told me that Russia and Poland could move North faster than Russia and Finland could move East. Accordingly, my opening strategy was to persuade Lee (Poland) to work with me and to distract Mike (Finland). The first part seemed to work well. Lee seemed to buy into the blitz strategy -- a strategy that really benefited Poland more than Russia, I might add.

The second part went alright, too, or so I though. Mike and I had tangled in David Cohen's COTA game a couple years back. I got the better of him in that game, and he was pretty hostile about it, so I was prepared for some residual hard feelings. I figured he would be too suspicious to believe a big, friendly approach, so I started off trying to act wary but neutral, and tried to make it seem like I wanted to open slow and would allow Mike to "convince" me to work with him.

Didn't work. Mike made exactly the moves he needed to make to thwart my bltiz. He couldn't stop me from taking Helsingfors, but he took St. Petersburg from me and so there was no advantage either way.

How did this happen, I wondered? Either (a) Mike read my mind, or (b) Lee leaked the plans. Mike implied it was the latter. Since I figured he was just as likely to say that whether it was true or false, I didn't react to it, but this remains the big question in my mind about the game. (If true, I can only imagine Lee regrets it even more than I do.)

Poland's attack on Sweden was highly successful. Of course this made it hard to get Fredrik (Sweden) to help with Finland. I tried hard over a couple of game years to persuade Fredrik to help me cripple Finland quickly so that I could then help him in return with Poland. He was just encouraging enough to make me think he would do so, but he wouldn't follow through.

Meanwhile, Poland was also proceeding to grab all the neutral SC between our two countries. I feared that he was positioning for the solo so I fell back on him and, with Finland's support, was able to stop his forward progress. Once that was achieved, I tried to find a way to make a line that balanced Poland and Finland and where they would both need to keep me alive to prevent the other from winning. If Sweden would do the same, we'd have a nice little draw and be done by Thanksgiving.

This would have worked, I believe, except that Fredrik decided to throw the game to Finland. Or allowed himself to be duped. Or went on an insane vendetta against Poland. I don't care. It all led to the same embarassing result.

Hey, if that's how it's done around here I could have thrown the game to Poland three months ago and saved us all a lot of trouble.

I don't know what was said between the other players, but unless I hear that Lee stepped hard over the line of impropriety in talking to Fredrik, this result was a farce.

I'm also curious to hear what Mike told Fredrik to keep him pointed at Poland for so long and to not protect himself. Was it the promise of a two-way draw? If so, shame on you. I would be embarassed to pull that stunt on a newbie. Maybe it's your version of tough love? "The guy has to learn." Something like that? Enlighten us, please.

Okay, that's my say. Remember the bit about this being my shortest and easiest EOG to write? It really was, believe it or not.

See ya 'round, maybe.

Chris

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Fall 1913 - A Baltic Resol... - former.trout   (Jan 20, 2009, 7:58 pm)
Hey folks,

We start off the Fall 1913 turn with some prophetic press from Poland. Its prophetic, I say, because with a powerful move into 12 centers Finland seizes the solo and our Study In Baltic reaches its blazing conclusion. Sweden wins a small victory in Malmo, finally taking that center of years of attempts. And Russia ekes out a survival - seizing Brest and escaping certain death.


A big congratulations goes out to Mike for his solo victory, and a very big hats off to all players for a very well-played game. EOG Statements are very-much encouraged... =)


Cheers everyone! We'll see you all in the next battlefield.


Baltic Trout




Poland Press:
Poland calls vote for Finland solo. no point in carrying on since he cannot be stopped
and considering recent game ending over "arranged" draws then this cannot end in
a Finland/Sweden draw.





Movement results for Fall of 1913. (DC191 13 FALL)


Finland: A Narew - Minsk.
Finland: A Konigsberg - Wkra (*Fails*).
Finland: A Riga - Narew.
Finland: F Tallinn Supports F Gulf of Finland - North Baltic.
Finland: A West Dvina Supports A Narew - Minsk.
Finland: F Mid Baltic - Slite.
Finland: F North Baltic - Alaand Island.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports F Gulf of Finland - North Baltic.
Finland: F Gulf of Finland - North Baltic.


Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Kattegat - South Baltic.
Poland: A Danzig Hold.
Poland: A Wkra Supports A Danzig (*Cut*).
Poland: F Copenhagen - Kattegat (*Bounce*).
Poland: F Kattegat - South Baltic.
Poland: F Ronne, no move received.
Poland: F Hano Bay - Mid Baltic.


Russia: A Minsk - Brest.


Sweden: F Goteborg - Kattegat (*Bounce*).
Sweden: F Bolmen(wc) - Malmo.
Sweden: F Malmo - Hano Bay.
Sweden: F South Baltic Hold (*Disbanded*).
Sweden: F Gulf of Stockholm Supports F Malmo - Hano Bay.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Minsk, A Narew, A Konigsberg, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, F Slite, F
North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Alaand Island.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Danzig, A Wkra, F Copenhagen, F South Baltic, F
Ronne, F Mid Baltic.
Russia: A Brest.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Malmo, F South Baltic, F Hano Bay, F Gulf of Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Minsk, Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio,
Helsingfors, Vasa, Tornio, Slite, Saaremaa Island, Alaand Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Brest.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Malmo.


Finland: 12 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 3 units.
Poland: 5 Supply centers, 7 Units: Removes 2 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 4 Supply centers, 5 Units: Removes 1 unit.




DC-191 END-GAME RESULT: 12 CENTER FINNISH SOLO VICTORY!!

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Summer 1913 - The Mazarin... - former.trout   (Jan 15, 2009, 2:34 am)
Summer waves take the Swedish fleet to Bolmen(wc). And despite much shared sentiment among the players, both end-game proposals fail to meet with unanimous approval. So the waves keep pounding and the game keeps rolling. =)

The deadline for Fall 1913 orders will be set for Tuesday, January 20th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers everyone!


Trout




Retreat orders for Spring of 1913. (DC191 13 SUM)


Sweden: F Kattegat - Bolmen(wc).


Unit locations:


Finland: A Narew, A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Danzig, A Wkra, F Copenhagen, F Kattegat, F Ronne, F
Hano Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(wc), F Malmo, F South Baltic, F Gulf of
Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1913 ORDERS DUE TUESDAY, JANUARY 20TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Spring 1913 - The Red Circ... - former.trout   (Jan 12, 2009, 7:42 pm)
Heya folks,

Our stray orders found their way in early this morning. Thanks to all of you for hanging on through the weekend. I think its worth the wait, as Poland regains Kattegat but at the expense of Malmo - leaving it open for the Swedes to slip right in. Meanwhile, the Fins move past their beachhead and find lodging in Narew.


One retreat is needed after the Spring - the Swedish fleet in Kattegat was given their eviction papers. Possible retreats are Bolmen (wc), Skaggarak or OTB.


Also, there's been a flurry of diplomatic proposals hitting the table. Two possibilities have come up for votes:
1. A Finnish - Swedish draw
2. A Finnish solo


Deadline for Summer 13 retreats and your yay or nay vote for both proposals will be set for Wednesday, January 14th (11:59 PM GMT). Let me hear your boogaloo!!


Cheers!


Through The Looking Glass Trout




Movement results for Spring of 1913. (DC191 13 SPR)


Finland: A Konigsberg - Narew.
Finland: A Riga Supports A Konigsberg - Narew.
Finland: F Tallinn Supports A West Dvina.
Finland: A West Dvina Supports A Konigsberg - Narew.
Finland: A Helsingfors - Konigsberg.
Finland: F Mid Baltic Convoys A Helsingfors - Konigsberg.
Finland: F North Baltic Convoys A Helsingfors - Konigsberg.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Hold.
Finland: F Gulf of Finland Hold.


Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Ronne - South Baltic (*Cut*).
Poland: A Danzig Hold.
Poland: A Narew - Wkra.
Poland: F Malmo - Kattegat.
Poland: F Copenhagen Supports F Malmo - Kattegat.
Poland: F Ronne - South Baltic (*Fails*).
Poland: F Hano Bay Supports F Ronne - South Baltic (*Cut*).


Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew (*Ordered to Move*).


Sweden: F Goteborg - Kattegat (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) - Malmo.
Sweden: F Kattegat - Strulsund (*Dislodged*).
Sweden: F South Baltic Supports F Kattegat - Strulsund (*Cut*).
Sweden: F Gulf of Stockholm - Hano Bay (*Fails*).


The following units were dislodged:


Swedish F Kattegat can retreat to Bolmen(wc) or Skaggarak.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Narew, A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Danzig, A Wkra, F Copenhagen, F Kattegat, F Ronne, F
Hano Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F South Baltic, F Gulf of Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: SUMMER 1913 RETREATS DUE WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 14TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 - Deadline Passed - Orders Still Needed - FuzzyLogic   (Jan 10, 2009, 10:21 am)
Come on guys if you dont want to play this out, vote for a Fin-Swe draw. I'll propose one, but this is ridiculous every turn is delayed cuz someone's not submitting orders.
-mike



From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Sat 1/10/2009 2:51 AM
To: dc191
Cc: C Morse; Fredrik Blom; Lee Taylor; Michael Sims; Steve Lytton
Subject: DC191 - Deadline Passed - Orders Still Needed


Heya folks,

The usual suspects are missing orders once again... Deadline for Spring 1913 was roughly 9 hours ago. We'll extend a few hours in hopes that the stray sets will come in.


Trout

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DC191 - Deadline Passed - Orders Still Needed - former.trout   (Jan 10, 2009, 2:52 am)
Heya folks,

The usual suspects are missing orders once again... Deadline for Spring 1913 was roughly 9 hours ago. We'll extend a few hours in hopes that the stray sets will come in.


Trout

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DC191 - Deadline Passed - Orders Still Needed (dc191) FuzzyLogic Jan 10, 10:21 am
Come on guys if you dont want to play this out, vote for a Fin-Swe draw. I'll propose one, but this is ridiculous every turn is delayed cuz someone's not submitting orders.
-mike



From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Sat 1/10/2009 2:51 AM
To: dc191
Cc: C Morse; Fredrik Blom; Lee Taylor; Michael Sims; Steve Lytton
Subject: DC191 - Deadline Passed - Orders Still Needed


Heya folks,

The usual suspects are missing orders once again... Deadline for Spring 1913 was roughly 9 hours ago. We'll extend a few hours in hopes that the stray sets will come in.


Trout
DC191 - Study In Baltic - Fall 1912 - New Years Re... - former.trout   (Jan 04, 2009, 12:09 pm)
Heya folks,

Just wanted to thank all four of you for the patience during the past few days. Our stray orders came in and Fall 1912 action buzzed into being. Poland continues to hold the answers to Malmo - frustrating the Swedish attack there yet again. However, the taking of Kattegat by the blue fleets might make a definite difference in 1913.


There was only a single retreat required, but the Polish fleet from Kat had only Copenhagen to fall back to. I took the liberty - but if OTB is preferred, Lee, please just let me know.


No adjustments are called for and we'll groove along handily into Spring 1913. Deadline will be set for Friday, January 9th (11:59 PM GMT). This is only five days or so, so I'll humbly suggest sending in preliminary orders.


Thanks everyone. Battle on!


Baltic Trout




Movement results for Fall of 1912. (DC191 12 EW)


Finland: A Konigsberg - Danzig (*Fails*).
Finland: A Riga Supports A Helsingfors - Konigsberg (*Fails*).
Finland: F Tallinn Supports F Gulf of Finland - West Dvina (*Fails*).
Finland: A West Dvina - Narew (*Fails*).
Finland: A Helsingfors - Konigsberg (*Fails*).
Finland: F Mid Baltic Convoys A Helsingfors - Konigsberg.
Finland: F North Baltic Convoys A Helsingfors - Konigsberg.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports A Riga.
Finland: F Gulf of Finland - West Dvina (*Fails*).


Poland: F Strulsund Supports A Wkra - Danzig.
Poland: A Wkra - Danzig.
Poland: A Narew Hold.
Poland: F Malmo - South Baltic (*Fails*).
Poland: F Kattegat Supports F Malmo (*Dislodged*).
Poland: F Ronne Supports F Malmo - South Baltic.
Poland: F Hano Bay Supports F Malmo - South Baltic (*Cut*).


Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew.


Sweden: F Goteborg Supports F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) Supports F South Baltic - Malmo.
Sweden: F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F South Baltic - Malmo (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Gulf of Stockholm - Hano Bay (*Fails*).


Retreat orders for Fall of 1912. (DC191 12 EW)


Poland: F Kattegat - Copenhagen.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Helsingfors, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Danzig, A Narew, F Malmo, F Copenhagen, F Ronne, F
Hano Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Kattegat, F South Baltic, F Gulf of
Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.


The next phase of DC191 12 EW will be Movement for Spring of 1913.




NEXT DEADLINE: SPRING 1913 ORDERS DUE FRIDAY, JANUARY 9TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Summer 1912 - YuleTide Ret... - former.trout   (Dec 23, 2008, 9:32 am)
Heya gang,

Poland falles back to the island of Ronne. WIth that, we break for St. Nick. Deadline for the Fall of 1912 orders will be set for Tuesday, December 30th (11:59 PM GMT).


Have a very Merry Christmas, everyone. Hope you guys all have the best holidays!


Cheers!


Christmas Turkey Trout




Retreat orders for Spring of 1912. (DC191 12 SUM)


Poland: F South Baltic - Ronne.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Helsingfors, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F Ronne, F Hano
Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F South Baltic, F Gulf of
Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1912 ORDERS DUE TUESDAY, DECEMBER 30TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Spring 1912 - The Three St... - former.trout   (Dec 19, 2008, 10:05 am)
Heya folks of the Baltic,

The war has shifted to a narrow front - yet exciting breakthroughs continue to occur. This time it is the Swedes who with Finnish support bull their way into the South Baltic. And as the three-way draw is voted down, the battle continues. =)


A retreat is owed from the Polish fleet in SBA. We'll set the deadline for after the weekend, on Monday December 22nd (11:59 PM GMT). If I receive it earlier and marked FINAL though, I will adjudicate sooner.


Cheers folks! Let me know if you spot any errors.


Headmaster Trout




Movement results for Spring of 1912. (DC191 12 SPR)


Finland: A Konigsberg Supports A Riga - Narew.
Finland: A Riga - Narew (*Fails*).
Finland: F Tallinn Supports A West Dvina.
Finland: A West Dvina Supports A Riga - Narew.
Finland: A Helsingfors - Riga (*Fails*).
Finland: F Mid Baltic Supports F Hano Bay - South Baltic.
Finland: F North Baltic Convoys A Helsingfors - Riga.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports A Helsingfors - Riga (*Fails*).
Finland: F Gulf of Finland Supports A West Dvina.


Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Kattegat.
Poland: A Wkra Supports A Narew.
Poland: A Narew Hold.
Poland: F Malmo Supports F Ronne - Hano Bay (*Cut*).
Poland: F Kattegat Supports F Malmo (*Cut*).
Poland: F South Baltic Supports F Ronne - Hano Bay (*Dislodged*).
Poland: F Ronne - Hano Bay.


Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew.


Sweden: F Goteborg Supports F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) - Malmo (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Skaggarak - Kattegat (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Hano Bay - South Baltic.
Sweden: F Slite - Gulf of Stockholm.


The following units were dislodged:


Polish F South Baltic can retreat to Danzig or Ronne.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Helsingfors, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F South Baltic, F
Hano Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F South Baltic, F Gulf of
Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: SUMMER 1912 RETREATS DUE MONDAY, DECEMBER 22ND (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 Spring 1912 Deadline Reminder - former.trout   (Dec 17, 2008, 10:49 pm)
Heya folks,

Order up! Spring 1912 deadline falls in just over 19 hours. =)


Cheers!


Fry Cook Trout

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Winter 1911 - Farewell to... - former.trout   (Dec 14, 2008, 11:16 am)
Heya guys,

Thanks for the patience during the last couple days while I took care of some personal matters. Finland builds in Helsingfors, Poland says goodbye to Danzig.


We'll set the Spring 1912 deadline for Thursday, December 18th (11:59 PM GMT). Also, please don't forget that this will be the 3-way S/F/P draw proposal vote deadline as well.


Cheers all!


Trout




Adjustment orders for Winter of 1911. (DC191 11 WIN)


Finland: Build A Helsingfors.


Poland: Remove F Danzig.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Helsingfors, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F South Baltic, F
Ronne.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F Hano Bay, F Slite.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: SPRING 1912 ORDERS DUE THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 Baltic Delay - Vote Extension - former.trout   (Dec 11, 2008, 10:27 pm)
Heya Baltic guys,

I unfortunately received only one of two winter adjustments. We'll extend 24 hours to gather the second in - if no orders are forthcoming by that time I'll auto-adjust as required.


A player has requested that the vote deadline for the 3-way draw be set for the Spring turn - which will be roughly mid-next week. So hang in there, kiddos!


Cheers!


Trout

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DC191 - Three-Way Draw Proposal - leewarrentaylor   (Dec 09, 2008, 1:32 pm)
Poland votes yes.

cheers
Lee

--- On Tue, 9/12/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: DC191 - Three-Way Draw Proposal
To: "dc191" <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: "C Morse" <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>, "Fredrik Blom" <blom.fredrik(at)gmail.com>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Sims" <mike(at)southwall.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 5:04 PM

Hi all,

Late-breaking news on the Baltic Diplomatic front. A 3-way Finnish/Polish/Swedish draw has been proposed. If we have all votes in regarding this by the Winter deadline, I'll announce the result. Otherwise, I'll schedule a deadline for following the Winter turn.

Cheers!

Trout

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DC191 - Three-Way Draw Proposal - former.trout   (Dec 09, 2008, 11:05 am)
Hi all,

Late-breaking news on the Baltic Diplomatic front. A 3-way Finnish/Polish/Swedish draw has been proposed. If we have all votes in regarding this by the Winter deadline, I'll announce the result. Otherwise, I'll schedule a deadline for following the Winter turn.

Cheers!

Trout

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DC191 - Three-Way Draw Proposal (dc191) leewarrentaylor Dec 09, 01:32 pm
Poland votes yes.

cheers
Lee

--- On Tue, 9/12/08, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: DC191 - Three-Way Draw Proposal
To: "dc191" <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: "C Morse" <camorse22(at)yahoo.com>, "Fredrik Blom" <blom.fredrik(at)gmail.com>, "Lee Taylor" <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Mike Sims" <mike(at)southwall.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 5:04 PM

Hi all,

Late-breaking news on the Baltic Diplomatic front. A 3-way Finnish/Polish/Swedish draw has been proposed. If we have all votes in regarding this by the Winter deadline, I'll announce the result. Otherwise, I'll schedule a deadline for following the Winter turn.

Cheers!

Trout

DC191 Study In Baltic - Fall 1911 - Black Peter - former.trout   (Dec 09, 2008, 10:31 am)
The latest news from the Baltic:

Poland continues to have all the answers regarding Malmo - fending off yet another Swedish attack. Yet despite their best efforts, the Poles cannot wrest Konigsburg back from the Finns.

A center changes hands and we battle onwards. Poland removes one, Finland builds one. Deadline for Winter 1911 adjustments will be set for Thursday, December 11th (11:59 PM GMT).

Regarding the deadlines - I'll try to shorten them up a little bit so that they are not week-long. However, there was no consensus reached among you players. We'll do what we can, though - and if I ever receive all four sets of orders marked 'FINAL' then I will adjudicate early. =)

Please let me know if you spot any errors. Cheers!

Black Peter Trout


Movement results for Fall of 1911. (DC191 11 FALL)

Finland: A Konigsberg Supports A West Dvina - Narew (*Cut*).
Finland: A Riga Supports A Konigsberg.
Finland: F Tallinn Supports F Gulf of Finland - West Dvina (*Fails*).
Finland: A West Dvina - Narew (*Fails*).
Finland: F Mid Baltic Supports A Konigsberg.
Finland: F North Baltic Supports F Mid Baltic.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports A Riga.
Finland: F Gulf of Finland - West Dvina (*Fails*).

Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Kattegat.
Poland: F Danzig - Konigsberg (*Fails*).
Poland: A Wkra Supports F Danzig - Konigsberg.
Poland: A Narew Supports F Danzig - Konigsberg (*Cut*).
Poland: F Malmo Supports F Ronne - Hano Bay (*Cut*).
Poland: F Kattegat Supports F Malmo (*Cut*).
Poland: F South Baltic - Hano Bay (*Bounce*).
Poland: F Ronne - Hano Bay (*Bounce*).

Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew.

Sweden: F Goteborg Supports F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) - Malmo (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Skaggarak - Kattegat (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Hano Bay Supports F Bolmen(ec) - Malmo (*Cut*).
Sweden: F Slite Supports F Mid Baltic.

Unit locations:

Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, F Mid Baltic, F North
Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, F Danzig, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F South
Baltic, F Ronne.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F Hano Bay, F Slite.

Ownership of supply centers:

Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.

Finland: 9 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 8 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.


NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1911 ADJUSTMENTS DUE THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 Baltic Baltic - Fall 1911 Reminder - former.trout   (Dec 07, 2008, 8:56 pm)
News from the Baltic... Deadline for Fall 1911 is in just over 21 hours. One set of orders remains outstanding - so please double-check and make sure you have a confirmation receipt from me..

Cheers!


Trout

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Spring 1911 - The Solitary... - former.trout   (Dec 01, 2008, 10:22 pm)
Keep on banging your head against the wall ... And eventually you DO make a dent. (Although whether the dent is in the wall or in your forehead is the question...)

In this instance, Finland puts a pretty solid dent in Poland's forehead. With an audacious convoy, the Finnish reserve regiment gets some front-line experience in Konigsberg - driving the Poles from their bunks in surprise. Danzig was the only safe harbour for the Polish fleet, so I took the liberty. (Lee, if OTB is preferred then please just let me know.)


If the Finnish manage to hold their ground through the Fall turn, our DIAS clock resets back to zero. Which seems to be all right as the latest draw proposal, the 3-way, again goes down in defeat...


Deadline for Fall 1911 orders will be set for Monday, December 8th (11:59 PM GMT). No draw proposals were submitted this turn, but I did have a request to examine speedier deadlines. Since its Christmas, I figure why not - if you guys agree. Let me know if you want me to switch to deadlines of three or four days instead of the week-long ones we have right now. Also, if I receive all four sets of orders marked 'FINAL', then I will adjudicate early.


Cheers everyone!


Speedy Gonzales Trout




Movement results for Spring of 1911. (DC191 11 SUM)


Finland: A Riga Supports A Saimaa - Konigsberg.
Finland: F Tallinn Supports A Riga.
Finland: A West Dvina - Narew (*Fails*).
Finland: A Saimaa - Konigsberg.
Finland: F Mid Baltic Convoys A Saimaa - Konigsberg.
Finland: F North Baltic Convoys A Saimaa - Konigsberg.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports A Riga.
Finland: F Gulf of Finland Convoys A Saimaa - Konigsberg.


Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Kattegat.
Poland: A Wkra - Konigsberg (*Fails*).
Poland: A Narew Supports A Wkra - Konigsberg (*Cut*).
Poland: F Konigsberg - South Baltic (*Dislodged*).
Poland: F Malmo - Hano Bay (*Fails*).
Poland: F Kattegat Supports F Malmo (*Ordered to Move*).
Poland: F South Baltic - Malmo (*Fails*).
Poland: F Ronne Supports F Malmo - Hano Bay.


Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew.


Sweden: F Goteborg Supports F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) Supports F Hano Bay - Malmo.
Sweden: F Skaggarak - Kattegat (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Hano Bay - Malmo (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Slite Supports F Mid Baltic.


Retreat orders for Spring of 1911. (DC191 11 SUM)


Poland: F Konigsberg - Danzig.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, F Mid Baltic, F North
Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, F Danzig, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F South
Baltic, F Ronne.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F Hano Bay, F Slite.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa, Tornio,
Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Konigsberg, Malmo, Copenhagen,
Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1911 ORDERS DUE MONDAY, DECEMBER 8TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC191 - Baltic - Spring 1911 Deadline Reminder - former.trout   (Dec 01, 2008, 12:00 am)
Baltic!

Spring 1911!


Eighteen Hours!


Minimalist Trout

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DC191 Study In Baltic - Fall 1910 - The Dancing Me... - former.trout   (Nov 26, 2008, 9:46 am)
Hey guys,

Fall 1910 results look remarkably similar to the Spring 1910. Malmo is again the scene of the action and is once again saved from Swedish annexation by a 2:2 bounce. No retreats and no adjustments means that the Spring 1911 deadline will be set for Monday December 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

The Finnish / Swedish draw proposal is scuttled and a Swedish / Finnish / Polish 3-way draw proposed in its place. Please have your yay or nay votes with your Spring 11 orders.

Two quick notes to make as we progress however.
1. This is the second straight game year where no supply centers have changed hand. If this occurs for two more game years in a row (four total) then I may exercise my House Rules and declare a DIAS in place.

2. Christmas is coming on fast. Please let me know if you folks have any holiday scheduling requirements and I will attempt to adjust our timeline accordingly.

As always, please let me know if you spot any errors in the adjudication. Cheers!

Disco Days Trout


Movement results for Fall of 1910. (DC191 10 FALL)

Finland: A Riga - Narew (*Fails*).
Finland: F Tallinn - Riga (*Fails*).
Finland: A West Dvina Supports A Riga - Narew.
Finland: A Saimaa Hold.
Finland: F Mid Baltic - South Baltic (*Bounce*).
Finland: F North Baltic - Mid Baltic (*Fails*).
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports F Tallinn - Riga (*Fails*).
Finland: F Gulf of Finland Supports A West Dvina.

Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Kattegat.
Poland: A Wkra - Konigsberg (*Fails*).
Poland: A Narew Supports A Wkra - Konigsberg (*Cut*).
Poland: F Konigsberg - South Baltic (*Bounce*).
Poland: F Malmo - Hano Bay (*Fails*).
Poland: F Kattegat Supports F South Baltic - Malmo (*Cut*).
Poland: F South Baltic - Malmo (*Fails*).
Poland: F Ronne Supports F Malmo - Hano Bay.

Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew.

Sweden: F Goteborg Supports F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) Supports F Hano Bay - Malmo.
Sweden: F Skaggarak - Kattegat (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Hano Bay - Malmo (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Slite Supports F North Baltic - Mid Baltic.

Unit locations:

Finland: A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Saimaa, F Mid Baltic, F North
Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Wkra, A Narew, F Konigsberg, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F
South Baltic, F Ronne.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F Hano Bay, F Slite.

Ownership of supply centers:

Finland: Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa, Tornio,
Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Konigsberg, Malmo, Copenhagen,
Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.

Finland: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.


NEXT DEADLINE: SPRING 1911 ORDERS DUE MONDAY, DECEMBER 1ST (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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