| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 08:12 pm |
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the fi |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 08:15 pm |
I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equi |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 09:25 pm |
Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:3ed77131c9] I believe the rules say HOME su |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 09:43 pm |
2nd edition, Feb 82
pg 9, item 4 - Civil-Disorder removals
unit furthest from home is removed first,(more distant from the nearest home supply center
as computed by the shortest available route, |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 09:46 pm |
There have been 3 editions since that edition of the rules... and on top of that, we have our own set of house rules.
We'll have to see what the GM says.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Pac |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 09:48 pm |
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals a |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 09:54 pm |
Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come o |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:01 pm |
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:15 pm |
so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
[b:73c46716bc]To:[/b:73c46716 |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:19 pm |
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that c |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:22 pm |
yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:24 pm |
Right on. Because if the unit in Syria was a fleet then the alphabetical part of the calculation comes in... Norwegian (N) before Syria (S)...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 10:24 pm |
Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV. |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:25 pm |
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:3e |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:27 pm |
No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
[b:0c7a8b3c81 |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 10:29 pm |
I believe convoys don't count. It is per unit, not per route.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:30 pm |
| Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:31 pm |
They counted in the 82 edition
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
[b:b4cf77b5a0]Cc:[/b:b4c |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:32 pm |
nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat < |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:33 pm |
Here's a simpler way of putting it:
The number of spaces are counted using the shortest path - regardless of whether a unit can move there or not.
Least, that's the way I've always |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:34 pm |
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:38 pm |
A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
From: Former Trout |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:46 pm |
Dude - I'm pretty sure that I've seen you auto-disband using the shortest route approach. Why are we debating this? =)
I've never seen anyone calculate an auto-disband based on the rout |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) klynch427 Dec 17, 10:50 pm |
Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.
1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.
2) I'm n |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:55 pm |
Actually, I think I have only actually run into this scenario a couple of times and then
I the route wasn't an issue.
Also, given the latest rulebook reference I would have to agree with you 100% |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 11:02 pm |
Guys,
Having taken part in creating the default HRs I can assure everyone that it was never the intention to create a set of rules that conflicted with the Standard Diplomacy rules.
The quote |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 11:07 pm |
FWIW - I agree. On all points.
You might also want to consider something at the top of the houserules
stating what edition was used in drafting the rules. The URL you had
in the other email woul |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 18, 02:12 pm |
Hey guys,
The ruling stands as is. I interpreted it as farthest away from the home centers, as did RealPolitik. There was a mess up on my part however, Austria is right and it should be a Fleet in |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) klynch427 Dec 18, 02:25 pm |
Thanks Kai, I appreciate the clarification on my fleet in TRI. The map you attached still seems to show an army in TRI though.
I'm ok with the deadline though it does seem a long way off. I at leas |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 19, 03:48 pm |
That map is still wrong. I will send out the new one when I get home tonight. Sorry all, it is an Austrian fleet in TRI jsut to remind everyone.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jackson Foster < |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 20, 03:41 pm |
Right map+
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:caa09ac68a] That map is still wrong. I will send out the n |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 26, 12:05 pm |
Reminder guys- Orders are due by 23:00 GMT Today. Missing some still.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quo |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 28, 05:31 pm |
Hey all aorry for the delay. Will be out tomorrow.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:2325ca5ae6] Aus |
| dc 197 Fall 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 07, 10:29 am |
I have asked, and ALWAYS have - GM's to send me an email should my
moves not be in on time. This is due mostly to my schedule and since I am
normally online FREQUENTLY and can submit them rather qu |
| dc 197 Fall 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 07, 12:12 pm |
Okay gents here's the deal -
Trout has, more or less, talked me into staying on in this game although I
am still unhappy with the NMR. That being said, HAD I submitted my
orders the only thing d |
| dc 197 Fall 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 07, 12:14 pm |
I'm absolutely fine with you staying on my part. But can we make conditions? You need to stop kicking poor Mother Russia's ass... =P
T.
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Packrat <brn2d |
| dc 197 Fall 1905 (dc197) klynch427 Dec 07, 12:22 pm |
Packrat please continue the game with us. We've had too many defections already...
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:14:04 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
To: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: dc 197 Fal |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 Abjucation (dc197) billyjoebobfred1 Nov 22, 05:58 pm |
The attached map is wrong.
Joe
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0d4fc7ddce] Build A Budapest
B |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 Abjucation (dc197) packrat Nov 22, 06:00 pm |
Nice to say, and I am not disagreeing - yet - but what, exactly, is wrong with it?
From: joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com>
To: Jacks |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 Abjucation (dc197) packrat Nov 22, 10:40 pm |
Joe is correct - the gof os for SP04, the DPY for SP05
From: joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gma |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 Abjucation (dc197) Kai Nov 23, 05:04 pm |
Sorry about the map. Not sure what happened there.
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:a70b46c8ef]Build |
