Normally, I would be more than happy to join a war against the leader, but I really can't.   The governments of Milan and Austria are bent on my destruction, and have offered me no reason to fall on my sword.  France will fight until the last, and will support anyone who wishes destruction on Milan and Austria.  Revanche, mes amis!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:27 PM, joe babinsack <chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com ([email]chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

 
Why does everyone continue to quote the FLORENTINE????

I don't think I'm missing the point.

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:


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From: Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>

Subject: RE: DC-272 Milan's call to arms
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Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 6:15 PM


As we are in no court, I am not going to plead a case, nor am i going to go further in my call to arms. We each have a version of the story, but Florence was always out for blood when Milan was trying to work for peace and stability (not that I am noble in nature, but the status quo work perfectly for me at the time).
 
My argument is simple, Milan is not ruled by a shining prince of moral and principles, and apart for His Holiness, I have strong doubts any amonst us would be able to claim so. We are but a pack of starving wolves fighting for SCs, using all the tricks in the books to achieve our objectives.
Oh, but my moral is so low that do not even care if I have been blighted. I am willing to forgive, I am willing to make alliances, willing to do anything if it means no single player gets ahead of the game. Balance of power is my paradigm.
 
"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it." Nicolo Machiavelli

Nick of Milan

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:30:34 -0700
From: chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com ([email]chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: Re: Fw: DC-272 Milan's call to arms
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A little laziness from our friend in Milan?
 
I'm in danger of sliding down a slippery slope here, and wish not to defend my actions, but the point with our friend Nick is simply this:
 
Who among us would acquiesce to a Non-Agression Pact, if the return on the investment was "you can have the home centers of France"
 
Very strange diplomacy there.
 
Nick is quite exhuberent, and I can understand that, but as I explained to him, deals are made on specifics, not in generalities. Less strange is that Nick opened up a dialogue between two of his neighbors, who readily decided that having a loose cannon overfocused on generalities and unwilling to negotiate as an ally was not a suitable arrangement.
 
Regards,
Joe

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

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From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: Fw: DC-272 Milan's call to arms
To: "Joe Babinsack" <chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com ([email]chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "Garry Bledsoe" <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Kevin Burt" <Brutus(at)wbhsi.net ([email]Brutus(at)wbhsi.net[/email])>, "Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Nathan Deily" <ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "DC272 Forum" <dc272(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc272(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>, "Andrew Jameson" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "Aidan Slattery" <aislattery(at)aol.com ([email]aislattery(at)aol.com[/email])>, "Mark Utterbach" <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]mdemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Max Victory" <maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 5:05 AM

Gentlemen,
  I've been asked to circulate a bit of press.

Enjoy,
  The White Wolf

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--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
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From: Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Subject: DC-272 Milan's call to arms
To: cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 4:45 AM


 Mr Wolf,
 
My orders will come in due time, however would it be possible for you to circulate the following press in the name of Milan to all player?
 
 
Gentlemen,
 
As we have recently seen. The evil rulers of Florence and Venice have already committed blasphemy by declare war against God. Now they betrayed Milan after a pact of non agression was agreed between us. These two powers prove that there is nothing holy, nothing safe from their evil grasp.
 
I was surprised but did admire the well coordinated move against me. I understand completely the drive to prevent Milan from growing too strong in the north and what was probably perceived through the proposed pact to lead to me directing what should happen in the centre.
For all the brilliantly executed move, and considering that I directly fed Florence with information about my moves, I do perceive two cracks in the stone.
1) If you had hoped to gain credibility in the begining of the game, you no longer can, as players fear those who cannot hold to a pact. Not that it is expected to be binding, but guys you barely lasted 1 year before plotting against one of your allies. Even for Realpolitik this is considered cold! lol
2) As in Physics, "nothing is gained, nothing is lost, all is transformed". What served as justification to come at blows with Milan, namlely Balance of Power, has now completely shifted. The potential that I was glancing at, is now in the hands of Florence. Milan is no longer the threat, Florence is.
 
Now rest assured I hold no grudges, to the contrary I applaud the skill demonstrated. Now I can only hope to regain what's mine... and I'm not going to ask 'who is with me'... for we are all alone, but rather appeal to everyone's sens of balance. For if one player shines to brightly, he risks blinding all others.
 
 
Nick, Prince of Milan

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