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Author:alwayshunted
Posted:May 01, 2013 at 4:45 pm
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Thanks Hugh.  You did a great job.
My apologies to those that might have been anticipating an EOG from me.  Truth be told, I really enjoy reading other peoples EOGs, but I truly suck at getting around to it myself.
Loooong story short, I feel that I was my own worst enemy.  I messed up on a couple of rules, and had one nmr that really hurt.  That said, Brian turned out to be a very tough piece of hide to chew.  He turned in a couple of really good order sets after it became clear that I was going to fight him.... really set me back as well.  Good on ya Brian.
If I had not messed up, I think it would have been a lot closer.  I should have been helping Oz way before I managed to get there.... same for Marshall Islands as well.
But, great game John, congrats.  See you next time.
Warren

Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:34:42 -0700
From: hapolley(at)yahoo.ca
Subject: Oceania DC437\Winter/2007 Final!
To: jonnyb2k(at)yahoo.com; dc437(at)diplomaticcorp.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.com; bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com; stevencaponigri(at)gmail.com; sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; briankingfox(at)gmail.com

The final results have been posted to Diplomaticcorp Web Site! Game History and Statistics
   
GAME INDEX=[SUM(Yearly Country SC squared)+Neutral SC]/(#years + players left) 
PLAYER POINTS = ([Yearly SUM(PLAYER SC + 1]/#years) times 2 for Solo Win
 
HISTORY Year          [ 0][ 1][ 2][ 3][ 4][ 5][ 6][ 7][ 8] Rating
------------------------------------------------------------------
Australia            :  3   5   6   8   8   8   6   4   2  
7
------------------------------------------------------------------
France               :  3   5   5   6   5   4   1   1   0   4
------------------------------------------------------------------
Indonesia            :  3   5   5   2   2   3   3   3   1   4
------------------------------------------------------------------
Japan                :  3   6   8  10  12  12  15  17  21 
14
------------------------------------------------------------------
Marshall_Islands     :  3   3   4   4   3   4   4   4   3   5
------------------------------------------------------------------
Usoa                 :  3   4   2   1   0   0   0   0   0   1
------------------------------------------------------------------
Zealand_New          :  3   5   7   6   8   8  10  10  12  
9
------------------------------------------------------------------
Neutral              : 18   6   2   2   1   0   0   0   0
------------------------------------------------------------------
Index                  12  21  25  26  31  28  32  33  46
   
======================================================================
Player and Contact Information
   
Power           : Handle           Points  [xx](at)(xx).{xx} 

=========================================================
Australia       : Jason 4747      (     7) [jason4747](hotmail){com}
France          : Brian Lam       (     4) [briankingfox](gmail){com}
Indonesia       : Mark Smith      (     4) [sandiegosmith](hotmail){com}
Japan           : John Barringer  (    2Cool [jonnyb2k](yahoo){com}
Marshall Islands: Bret Pollack    (     5) [bret_pollack](hotmail){com}
Usoa            : Steve Caponigri (     1) [stevencaponigri](gmail){com}
Zealand New    
: Warren Fleming  (     9) [alwayshunted](hotmail){com}
Game Master     : Hugh  Polley    (     6) [hapolley](yahoo){ca}
    ======================================================================
OCEANIA PRESS RELEASES
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    JAPAN END GAME STATEMENT
It was a fun game, at least for me. My initial strategy was talk my way into 3 centers, build extra fleets early and focus on the western half of the map. I started by telling Indonesia that we could be friends if I could get wci.  I told USA the same thing regarding mau.  I told them both I would go after Marshall Islands, which I eventually did.
   
Indonesia was not fooled by my initial builds at all.  Luckily for me I had made a deal with Australia
to divide up the Indonesian centers.  Indonesia threatened to defend against only me, throwing his centers to Australia.  I essentially said to go ahead, but he really didn't.  I think he was trying to defend against both of us which was a uphill battle for him.
   
The big game changer was when Indonesia was clearly defeated I offered to not eliminate him if he would help against Australia.  I had no idea it would work so well.  Those 2 and later 3 forward Indonesian fleets were critical to Japan's success.
   
Meanwhile USA and I kept Marshall Islands in check.  It's a tough group of islands to invade, not many avenues of approach. I was lucky that France attacked the USA and distracted him.  I was able to get a bead on WAK and pin the Marshall Islands fleet.  Once Marshall Islands moved his fleet from WEM-kwa, the restricted movement worked against him and I didn't
need to fear his fleet slipping past me and causing havoc in the rear.
   
It was slow going in the Marshall Islands, but since no one was interferring I could afford to take my time.  Every once in a while I sent an encouraging message to France to keep up the fight and provided the occasional suggestion; but I don't know if it swayed him.  Probably he and New Zealand should have made some type of agreement when they saw that Indonesia was actively helping Japan and that Marshal Islands couldn't break out of confinement on his own; but they never did.  By the time New Zealand was victorious and turned to face me it was too late.
   
But I must admit that the single-most important factor in the game was the very active help from Indonesia.  We had words at one point when he captured a center and I took one of his home centers, preventing his build.  I did not aplogize, and reminded him
that I only promised he would not be eliminated. I would try to make him bigger than Marshall Islands, but wouldn't be held to it.  I do feel a little guilty taking 2 more centers from him at the end; but felt that taking a win was worth being a little heavy-handed.  If I hadn't, I would have risked a long, drawn out conflict with New Zealand with no guarnatee of success.  The guilt is compounded, because my success was so dependent on Indonesia's loyalty.
   
About the map.  It seems to me that fleets are necessary everywhere, but especially so in the western half.  The fleets are also SLOW, so they need to be built early.  I figured early on that the final showdown would be somewhere to the east of where it actually was.  Armies would be necessary to hop around, but fleets would be required to support them. So I did go heavy on fleets initially, figuring the armies could catch
up.
   
Another thing I noticed is that threatened armies on island groups need to be mobile.  That is they should be on the attack.  It's very difficult to defend when other armies can hop around so much.  I think that's another reason to build fleets early; so they can get to where they can support the armies.
   
Thanks to Hugh for running the game; and thanks everyone for playing,  I hope all the players will take a little time to send in some commentary.
JonnyB, Japan
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    GM STATEMENT
Thanks to one and all for giving me a chance to try out this game with my adjudicator.  To my surprise I had no problem handling the rules thanks to my adjudicators no-retreat option. As this was a test game I gave lots of leeway for deadlines and enjoyed hearing from
the players and following the game as it progressed.  Once the Blitz is done I look forward to running another game on the Diplomaticcorp Web Site!  I think Japan is this games Turkey as I did well with Japan in uncompleted game of Oceania.

This message is in reply to post 24930:

The final results have been posted to Diplomaticcorp Web Site! Game History and Statistics
   
GAME INDEX=[SUM(Yearly Country SC squared)+Neutral SC]/(#years + players left) 
PLAYER POINTS = ([Yearly SUM(PLAYER SC + 1]/#years) times 2 for Solo Win
 
HISTORY Year          [ 0][ 1][ 2][ 3][ 4][ 5][ 6][ 7][ 8] Rating
------------------------------------------------------------------
Australia            :  3   5   6   8   8   8   6   4   2  
7
------------------------------------------------------------------
France               :  3   5   5   6   5   4   1   1   0   4
------------------------------------------------------------------
Indonesia            :  3   5   5   2   2   3   3   3   1   4
------------------------------------------------------------------
Japan                :  3   6   8  10  12  12  15  17  21 
14
------------------------------------------------------------------
Marshall_Islands     :  3   3   4   4   3   4   4   4   3   5
------------------------------------------------------------------
Usoa                 :  3   4   2   1   0   0   0   0   0   1
------------------------------------------------------------------
Zealand_New          :  3   5   7   6   8   8  10  10  12  
9
------------------------------------------------------------------
Neutral              : 18   6   2   2   1   0   0   0   0
------------------------------------------------------------------
Index                  12  21  25  26  31  28  32  33  46
   
======================================================================
Player and Contact Information
   
Power           : Handle           Points  [xx](at)(xx).{xx} 

=========================================================
Australia       : Jason 4747      (     7) [jason4747](hotmail){com}
France          : Brian Lam       (     4) [briankingfox](gmail){com}
Indonesia       : Mark Smith      (     4) [sandiegosmith](hotmail){com}
Japan           : John Barringer  (    2Cool [jonnyb2k](yahoo){com}
Marshall Islands: Bret Pollack    (     5) [bret_pollack](hotmail){com}
Usoa            : Steve Caponigri (     1) [stevencaponigri](gmail){com}
Zealand New    
: Warren Fleming  (     9) [alwayshunted](hotmail){com}
Game Master     : Hugh  Polley    (     6) [hapolley](yahoo){ca}
    ======================================================================
OCEANIA PRESS RELEASES
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    JAPAN END GAME STATEMENT
It was a fun game, at least for me. My initial strategy was talk my way into 3 centers, build extra fleets early and focus on the western half of the map. I started by telling Indonesia that we could be friends if I could get wci.  I told USA the same thing regarding mau.  I told them both I would go after Marshall Islands, which I eventually did.
   
Indonesia was not fooled by my initial builds at all.  Luckily for me I had made a deal with Australia
to divide up the Indonesian centers.  Indonesia threatened to defend against only me, throwing his centers to Australia.  I essentially said to go ahead, but he really didn't.  I think he was trying to defend against both of us which was a uphill battle for him.
   
The big game changer was when Indonesia was clearly defeated I offered to not eliminate him if he would help against Australia.  I had no idea it would work so well.  Those 2 and later 3 forward Indonesian fleets were critical to Japan's success.
   
Meanwhile USA and I kept Marshall Islands in check.  It's a tough group of islands to invade, not many avenues of approach. I was lucky that France attacked the USA and distracted him.  I was able to get a bead on WAK and pin the Marshall Islands fleet.  Once Marshall Islands moved his fleet from WEM-kwa, the restricted movement worked against him and I didn't
need to fear his fleet slipping past me and causing havoc in the rear.
   
It was slow going in the Marshall Islands, but since no one was interferring I could afford to take my time.  Every once in a while I sent an encouraging message to France to keep up the fight and provided the occasional suggestion; but I don't know if it swayed him.  Probably he and New Zealand should have made some type of agreement when they saw that Indonesia was actively helping Japan and that Marshal Islands couldn't break out of confinement on his own; but they never did.  By the time New Zealand was victorious and turned to face me it was too late.
   
But I must admit that the single-most important factor in the game was the very active help from Indonesia.  We had words at one point when he captured a center and I took one of his home centers, preventing his build.  I did not aplogize, and reminded him
that I only promised he would not be eliminated. I would try to make him bigger than Marshall Islands, but wouldn't be held to it.  I do feel a little guilty taking 2 more centers from him at the end; but felt that taking a win was worth being a little heavy-handed.  If I hadn't, I would have risked a long, drawn out conflict with New Zealand with no guarnatee of success.  The guilt is compounded, because my success was so dependent on Indonesia's loyalty.
   
About the map.  It seems to me that fleets are necessary everywhere, but especially so in the western half.  The fleets are also SLOW, so they need to be built early.  I figured early on that the final showdown would be somewhere to the east of where it actually was.  Armies would be necessary to hop around, but fleets would be required to support them. So I did go heavy on fleets initially, figuring the armies could catch
up.
   
Another thing I noticed is that threatened armies on island groups need to be mobile.  That is they should be on the attack.  It's very difficult to defend when other armies can hop around so much.  I think that's another reason to build fleets early; so they can get to where they can support the armies.
   
Thanks to Hugh for running the game; and thanks everyone for playing,  I hope all the players will take a little time to send in some commentary.
JonnyB, Japan
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    GM STATEMENT
Thanks to one and all for giving me a chance to try out this game with my adjudicator.  To my surprise I had no problem handling the rules thanks to my adjudicators no-retreat option. As this was a test game I gave lots of leeway for deadlines and enjoyed hearing from
the players and following the game as it progressed.  Once the Blitz is done I look forward to running another game on the Diplomaticcorp Web Site!  I think Japan is this games Turkey as I did well with Japan in uncompleted game of Oceania.

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Oceania DC437\Winter/2007 Final! (hapolley) May 01, 04:34 pm

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