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Author:Corrino
Posted:Jul 23, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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I honestly would prefer clarification on the other premises before I add my 2 cents to them.



Hi, Sean. Yes, I know these were left a little vague. I did that on purpose, the point being to prod people to focus on the assumptions they are making which may be limiting both their success and enjoyment of the hobby.

But since you asked, I'll see what I can do to help by posing a question for each premise.

1. The premise that the only reason people play Diplomacy is to win the game. -> What other motivations might people have for playing Diplomacy on this forum other than the "high" they get from winning the game?

2. The premise that the only definition of win is "solo." -> Given the low probability of soloing (1:7 in Standard; 1:19 or worse in Haven) and my own premise that most diplomats are not clinical masochists, is it possible that people are internally redefining what they count as a win?

3. The premise that others will (or should) be playing for the same stakes as I am. -> Do you really want to play with 6 clones of yourself? From a practical perspective, are you better off cursing your opponent's "imbecilic" approach or trying to understand it and use it to your advantage?

4. The premise that carebearism (I'm going to call this the "empathic" approach from now on) could not be a strategy in its own right. -> There is an old song (and older bible verse) that begins "For every season...." Why limit your options?

5. The premise that empathic play is necessarily easy or boring. -> Do you know the story of the fox and the grapes?

6. The premise that a consistent attitude of any kind (empathic, cutthroat, whatever) is desirable. -> If I KNOW that you always take the same approach, with the same goal, how is that an advantage for you?

7. The premise that each game exists in a vacuum. -> When people ask you to forget the past, do you think they're modest or that they're hiding something?

This message is in reply to post 26914:

I'm looking to kindle debate. Your thoughts?



If I may, I would like more information on these premises. The only premises right now that I feel comfortable tackling are:

2. The premise that the only definition of win is "solo."



7. The premise that each game exists in a vacuum.



So, if it's possible, I'd like clarification on the other premises, and I'll answer these two.

2. The premise that the only definition of win is "solo."



The main short-game objective is to solo by acquiring the 18 centers for defacto control and thus conquest of the map board. It should probably be noted in the 1976 copyright rulebook; the short game does not offer draws. When the players agree to end the game, the player who has the most centers is declared the winner.

7. The premise that each game exists in a vacuum.



This premise centers on the subjective allowance of being able to bring notes of strengths, weaknesses, playing style, dependability, and personality.
I view strengths and weaknesses and personality as part of playing style. I only view dependability as dependable in sending in orders.
It truly depends on where external and pre-game relationships are viewed.

I honestly would prefer clarification on the other premises before I add my 2 cents to them.

There are 19 Messages in this Thread:


A Call to Arms! (charlesf) Jul 03, 08:37 am

A Call to Arms! (Operations) Jul 05, 04:47 pm

A Call to Arms! (vegas_iwish) Jul 05, 09:28 pm

A Call to Arms! (FuzzyLogic) Jul 08, 08:32 am

A Call to Arms! (charlesf) Jul 09, 07:39 am

A Call to Arms! (Operations) Jul 09, 12:05 pm

A Call to Arms! (vegas_iwish) Jul 12, 07:02 pm

A Call to Arms! (Sean2010) Jul 08, 03:10 pm

A Call to Arms! (Corrino) Jul 21, 01:53 pm

A Call to Arms! (Sean2010) Jul 22, 06:08 pm

A Call to Arms! (Corrino) Jul 23, 01:03 pm

A Call to Arms! (Sean2010) Jul 23, 11:02 pm

A Call to Arms! (charlesf) Jul 22, 06:52 pm

A Call to Arms! (Corrino) Jul 23, 01:14 pm

A Call to Arms! (FuzzyLogic) Jul 24, 09:03 am

A Call to Arms! (Corrino) Jul 28, 01:21 pm

A Call to Arms! (Sean2010) Jul 29, 12:00 am

A Call to Arms! (charlesf) Jul 29, 04:32 am

A Call to Arms! (Sean2010) Jul 29, 11:48 am

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